The Good Source Mafia

[PariahKing]

A long time ago PK was like "These mafia games need not 2 sux."

.: This game.

The Good Source Mafia.

This is a PK'dex Random. (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1155737)

Roles will be selected totally randomly and so will alignments be. I will do this seven times and select the set up I think is the best.

12 players. You know the rules. I think.

6. jok3r
8. mrs bun GelbSol
10. jimbyob
11. Kant
12. Naga

Dead:
9. Guile, Self Aligned Jester. Lynched D1.
5. Carados, Town Aligned Bipolar Cop. Killed Night One.
2. Color Probe, Town Aligned Vanilla. Modkilled.
7. Cloneysocks, Town Aligned Boat Rocker. Lynched D2.
1. Regret, Town Aligned Archangel. Night killed Night Two.
3. LegendFish, Mafia Aligned Helldozer. Night killed Night Two.
4. Van, Mafia Aligned Faith Healer. Lynched Day Three.

Replacements
1. Dullahan
2. Jebus

I will modkill or replace mercilessly as I felt necessary.

My method of randomization - I scrolled down and forth on the page and stopped. First role I saw I copied down. Not exactly scientific and probably prone to weird distortions, but meh. :V

I did it twice. The first one sucked hardcore. I'll probably need to make rules. I like this one though. Read into that what you will.

Sending Roles...

[PariahKing]

You may post after you get your role.

[Kant]

saudade.

[PariahKing]

By the way.

Format For Town Roles

X Role - Y Person (Z Alignment)

Role info copied + pasted from PK'dex.

(You may quote your role PMs in this game.)

[PariahKing]

Actually - you know what, I reserve the right to switch X, Y and Z at my own amusement and such.

There also was no win condition provided in the roles - except for maybe one or two or three. :V

Game On - It's Day One

...

Vote Count

No One (0): What, what?

With 12 remaining, it'll be 2 to lynch.

(Yes. Two. This has nothing to do with roles and was a pre-generated effect. It is the only one not to do with a role in the game.)

[PariahKing]

You can also No Lynch if you feel like it.

[Cloneysocks]

Wow, two to lynch? Scum had better be on their best behavior.

I find it interesting that my role name is Cloneysocks.

[LegendShark]

Hello peoples.

And with two to lynch I don't think anyone's gonna want to make the first move here.

[Naga]

Urge to Kantwagon rising...

[Clem]

Vote: No lynch

[Clem]

Hello peoples.

And with two to lynch I don't think anyone's gonna want to make the first move here.
Screw that. Clone is obviously scum. Unvote: No lynch, Vote: Clone.
What kind of crap are you trying to pull?

[Clem]

Triple posting ftw!!!

Unvote: Clone.

Just realized its only two to lynch.

[Van]

Vote: Guile for stupidity.

[Regret]

uh... what?


But yes, with two to lynch we need to be really careful with voting. Giving someone a single vote means anyone who wants to can just off them right there.

Hopefully it isn't going to be like this for the entire game. Perhaps the votes needed changes backwards and more votes will be required with fewer players?

[Naga]

Hopefully it isn't going to be like this for the entire game. Perhaps the votes needed changes backwards and more votes will be required with fewer players?

There are five players remaining. Ten to lynch.

[Cara]

I'm here.

[Cee Pee]

Probably the vote count is something bastard, but I don't know what yet. :/ Maybe it's just a random number between 1 ≤ n ≤ number of people alive.

So, yeah. Day one is almost always a random lynch and this only makes it more random. I think only mafia would profit from a no lynch, since that would give them a night quickly while not getting all too suspicious and not being dead. They might lose a lynch, yes, but countervotes will probably take place.

Though, people with broken roles would probably love to be able to use their power. For the good of the town, of course. I hope.

[Cloneysocks]

There are five players remaining. Ten to lynch.

If something like that is set up to happen, we'll have to hope town was endowed with a lot of powerful roles. But it seems unlikely.

However, I'm curious. Am I the only one named after my role?

[Cee Pee]

However, I'm curious. Am I the only one named after my role?
Nope. Though, technically, my role name states Cee Pee, but I'm Color Probe on the player list. :V

[PariahKing]

Yeah I screwed up your role name/your name part of your role Clone. There are not really "flavor names" in this game. :V

Vote Count

Guile (1): Van

2 to lynch.

[Kant]

vote:Guile

Guilewagon

[Cee Pee]

:huh:

Disregarding the commotion this will bring (yes, that's a paraleipsis), it's kind of early to end the day already. Not everyone has posted in the thread to confirm they're in, even.

[jok3r]

i'm here.

[Van]

:huh:

Disregarding the commotion this will bring (yes, that's a paraleipsis), it's kind of early to end the day already. Not everyone has posted in the thread to confirm they're in, even.

No one likes day starts anyway :teach:

[Cloneysocks]

vote:Guile

Guilewagon

This seems somewhat karmic.

[Clem]

Aww shit. What the hell guys?

[PariahKing]

That didn't take long.

Vote Count

Guile (2): Van, Kant

Guile is lynched. He was Jester, Self Aligned.

Guile wins, but the game continues.

(Oh lololololol.)

It's N1!

[Van]

Unlockin the thread because PK doesn't know what a PM is. :V

[jok3r]

so is it day 2 or what?

[Cloneysocks]

It's better if you make the people who are running mafia local mods for this forum, as long as you get the permissions in working order and never let Zerg run mafias.

[Cee Pee]

so is it day 2 or what?
AFAIK, it is not.
It's better if you make the people who are running mafia local mods for this forum, as long as you get the permissions in working order and never let Zerg run mafias.
Maybe later, once I have figured out what powers local mods actually have. We could as well split Posting games into Mafia and other games.

[PariahKing]

Sorry guys for the slight delay, I was sick as all get out and still am. But I love you so much I'll get going here again <333

[PariahKing]

Cara wakes up.

DEAD.

"But how can I wake up when I am dead," she asks.

PK kindly informs her that she's a Spanish speaking zombie.

She frowns. "But I'm not speaking Spanish."

PK then he shoots her in the head.

Cara was Bipolar Cop, Town Aligned.

With 10 alive, it'll be 6 to lynch.

It's now Day Two! Day will end in a week, which'll be May 17th 8:00 PM EST [GMT -4].

[Cee Pee]

Well, at least we have a normal lynch count now.

[Cara]

No me gusta.

[Kant]

So my ability is that I can either investigate someone or heal someone, but both have a 50% chance of working.

I investigated Gelbsol...

and the result was that he's Gelbsol.

So, uh, I guess that worked out.

[Van]

So my ability is that I can either investigate someone or heal someone, but both have a 50% chance of working.

I investigated Gelbsol...

and the result was that he's Gelbsol.

So, uh, I guess that worked out.

We have confirmed that GelbSol is not a MuP. Great Job! :V

[Naga]

So really, what was with the 2 to lynch?

[LegendShark]

PK then he shoots her in the head.

Vote: PK :mad:

[Cloneysocks]

So my ability is that I can either investigate someone or heal someone, but both have a 50% chance of working.

I investigated Gelbsol...

and the result was that he's Gelbsol.

So, uh, I guess that worked out.

Does it have a 50% chance of doing one and another 50% chance for the other, or a 50-50 chance of doing one or the other?

Also, it seems like your investigation power determines role name rather than alignment. Could it be that the people who have their own roles are townies and those who are named after others are the scum? For example, could there be some killer in our midst disguised as themselves, their hidden role name Pariah King?

However, it is also possible that, being akin to a force of nature here, PK instead represents the Logos, and carries out the dictates of the rules. :V

[LegendShark]

Does it have a 50% chance of doing one and another 50% chance for the other, or a 50-50 chance of doing one or the other?

Also, it seems like your investigation power determines role name rather than alignment. Could it be that the people who have their own roles are townies and those who are named after others are the scum? For example, could there be some killer in our midst disguised as themselves, their hidden role name Pariah King?

However, it is also possible that, being akin to a force of nature here, PK instead represents the Logos, and carries out the dictates of the rules. :V

No, I believe he picks one or the other, and then the 50% chance kicks in.

[LegendShark]

EBWOP: Or at least that's how I interpreted it.

[Van]

Okay, apparently some of you (CLONE) didn't quite understand the theme of this game.

It's a PK Random, meaning all of the roles are randomly selected from the PK Dex (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1155737).

Now, lemme explain what this means:
1. Role names are role names.
2. Any claimed role not in the PK Dex is a lie.
3. The abilities of the role mean nothing compared to that person's alignment, because the alignments were selected randomly for each role as well. So there could theoretically be a mafia of all doctors and cops
4. There is a good possibility of some roles that are entirely useless, because they were designed for mafia games with certain types of mechanics.

Now, what does this mean about Kant's investigation? I was really confused at first, and thought it might have failed. However, I have found the solution: "You!" (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=17969803&postcount=11) (near the bottom of the post). The You! role forces PK to design a role around GelbSol.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "HURRDURR" style of mafia that you guys are so fond of. :V

[jimbyob]

Vote: PK for using a Jester in what was suppose to be a "god source mafia" :mad:

[Van]

Vote: PK for using a Jester in what was suppose to be a "god source mafia" :mad:

It's a "good" mafia in the sense that I'm not running it :V

[jimbyob]

At least you didn't have a jester, possibly one of the worse mafia roles ever.

[Cloneysocks]

Okay, apparently some of you (CLONE) didn't quite understand the theme of this game.

It's a PK Random, meaning all of the roles are randomly selected from the PK Dex (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1155737).

Now, lemme explain what this means:
1. Role names are role names.
2. Any claimed role not in the PK Dex is a lie.
3. The abilities of the role mean nothing compared to that person's alignment, because the alignments were selected randomly for each role as well. So there could theoretically be a mafia of all doctors and cops
4. There is a good possibility of some roles that are entirely useless, because they were designed for mafia games with certain types of mechanics.

Now, what does this mean about Kant's investigation? I was really confused at first, and thought it might have failed. However, I have found the solution: "You!" (http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=17969803&postcount=11) (near the bottom of the post). The You! role forces PK to design a role around GelbSol.

And now back to your regularly scheduled "HURRDURR" style of mafia that you guys are so fond of. :V
Sigh...

As PK said earlier on about this game, role names are X - Y (Z) - the letter assignments are arbitary, but X is a character name (in Golden Sun's case as well as in mine, as well as {somewhat} for Cee Pee, called CP), Y is a role name, and (Z) is alignment. Now, unless PK randomly selected the "You!" role two or more times, just about everyone has the X part of their role (not the mechanical name but the in character name) as the name of their account, I would venture to guess. It makes sense to do it that way, this is after all a Source mafia.

It seems unlikely, however, that everyone ended up with "You!" I don't know about you guys, but I have a role title (Y) as well as a role name (X). What I was suggesting in my earlier post was that Kant's power reads X and not Y. Which doesn't seem very useful if everyone's got their own role name. Now it's quite possible that, given the randomish nature of this game, this power is useless to us, and will read everyone as themselves - but we won't know that for sure until we've examined everyone's role name.

What I was suggesting earlier is that one of the roles generated was something akin to Pariah King - Zombie Killer (Probably Not Town Aligned), and that Kant's role is useful to us, if there are spies among us disguised as themselves.

In other words, premise 1 is an oversimplification, Van.

And LS, what does EBWOP stand for?

[PariahKing]

In response to repeated questions, I will say in thread you would be specifically told if your name was your role name due to being "You!" the role in the PK'dex.

If it's in a weird array, it may be due to the explanation I provided in the 2nd or 3rd post.

Job description/Role name as synonymous here - so say "Cop" was your role, it'd be your role name.

[Cloneysocks]

In response to repeated questions, I will say in thread you would be specifically told if your name was your role name due to being "You!" the role in the PK'dex.

If it's in a weird array, it may be due to the explanation I provided in the 2nd or 3rd post.

Job description/Role name as synonymous here - so say "Cop" was your role, it'd be your role name.

That's what I'm saying, but it seems contradictory to it because of semantics. There are character names and role names (which I called role names and role titles previously), and Kant reads character names. This could still be helpful, though, as I stated previously.

[Cee Pee]

As PK said earlier on about this game, role names are X - Y (Z) - the letter assignments are arbitary, but X is a character name (in Golden Sun's case as well as in mine, as well as {somewhat} for Cee Pee, called CP), Y is a role name, and (Z) is alignment.
Actually, I'm sorry for being too vague before. I'm called Cee Pee in my PM. Yes, like my name. The point I was trying to make was that the first post lists me as "Color Probe". Minor point, I know.

It seems unlikely, however, that everyone ended up with "You!" I don't know about you guys, but I have a role title (Y) as well as a role name (X). What I was suggesting in my earlier post was that Kant's power reads X and not Y. Which doesn't seem very useful if everyone's got their own role name.

To clear things up (or to make them even more complicated): "Cee Pee" is, in my case, the Y. Everyone's calling it different names, but the Y is what you're calling role title in this quote and role name in the first part of your post (and in your latest post). PK called it "Person".

Maybe I should quote my PM, as that is apparently allowed? I do not wish to disclose my X right now (because you'll simply won't believe it without further verification).
And LS, what does EBWOP stand for?
Edit by way of post.

[Cloneysocks]

So it's Undiclosed - Cee Pee (Alignment)?

Or is it Cee Pee - Undisclosed (Alignment)?

[PariahKing]

Terms and orders are intentionally inconsistent to avoid lynching over such semantics.

[Cee Pee]

So it's Undiclosed - Cee Pee (Alignment)?
This one, please.

I guess I
I'll just go ahead and copy my PM:
Vanilla – Cee Pee (Town)

You’re vanilla.
Yeah, that's it. I think I've usually been vanilla in PK's mafias. :V
If you're really doubtful, Kant could investigate me tonight, though there are probably better targets.

[Cee Pee]

I guess I
I'll just go ahead and copy my PM:
This was supposed to be one sentence.

But yeah, as PK says, this is metagaming.

[PariahKing]

Vote: PK for using a Jester in what was suppose to be a "god source mafia" :mad:Random is random. :dance:

[Cloneysocks]

Terms and orders are intentionally inconsistent to avoid lynching over such semantics.
Good. It should be that way.

Quibbling over order in role assignments is, I suppose, metagaming. However, the kernel of my suggestion was not. That is that while some people have their own name somewhere in their role, it's possible that others have the name of another TS poster, such as Pariah King, the one who killed Cara.

It's also possible that the night events post was not a hint after all.

[Cee Pee]

It's also possible that the night events post was not a hint after all.
You mean Cara being a Spanish speaking zombie, or PK shooting Cara? If the latter, that's possibly because PK likes to include himself in the DP.

(If you're wondering what PK edited in, it comes down to adding "But I'm not speaking spanish" between PK informing and killing.)

[Cloneysocks]

The latter. And that seems likely. So, we've got... nothing?

[LegendShark]

Yup. Absolutely nothing.

[jok3r]

No one knows anything now? damn...

[Cloneysocks]

That's not to say that people who know a little tiny snippet right now should speak up and get their heads chopped off tonight. Those of you with info gathering powers, gather info, but for god's sake keep quiet about it for now unless it approaches the earth-shattering.

[LegendShark]

Should we randomvote? I mean it's almost like it's day one. Except people are dead.

[Cee Pee]

[19:32:26] <Jenius> But really, you have nothing else to go on, at least make kant explain himself :V
[19:33:51] <Jenius> Also it's obvious that you, van, and kant are all mafia, you can just defend them with a wifom argument :V
[19:33:59] <cp_away> Of course.
So, yeah. Should Kant and/or Van explain why they decided to vote Guile, despite knowing he'd get lynched? Other than the "Day one is random and disliked" idea. The day lasted hardly a day. From what I gather, only GelbSol hasn't posted as of yet. We can't really confirm Kant's role until he does.

[Cloneysocks]

Oh yeah, we kinda do have something. It's harder to justify something after it goes through and turns out to backfire, but it'd be nice if we got an explanation from Van and Kant.

[Kant]

Besides 'day one sucks', I was going to be away for 2 days and I was sure that I'd be kantwagoned if shit didn't happen by then.

[Cloneysocks]

So instead you Guilewagoned? A very helpful move.

[Kant]

So instead you Guilewagoned? A very helpful move.

Sorry, didn't want to get Kantwagoned twice in two games

[Van]

So, yeah. Should Kant and/or Van explain why they decided to vote Guile, despite knowing he'd get lynched? Other than the "Day one is random and disliked" idea. The day lasted hardly a day. From what I gather, only GelbSol hasn't posted as of yet. We can't really confirm Kant's role until he does.So...we're allowing third parties to comment on the game and talk to everyone? AND THEN POSTING THEIR COMMENTS?

yeah fyi you shouldn't be doing that. FoS: CP


My suspicions are on Clone and Kant.

I suspect Kant for following up on my trap and taking the easy lynch, a very scummy move. I voted so readily because it would be easy for scum to follow up on my vote and out themselves. However, you're all idiots and it would have been just as likely that someone would have added on to my vote to kill someone purely for the lulz. My plan would have worked with more experienced players, but source players are just as likely to go for the funny vote as the scummy vote.

I ask you guys: how many of you would have readily made the second vote on day 1 if my vote was on Kant instead of Guile?

Now, I suspect Clone for purposely trying to discredit Kant's investigation as well as tarnish my own reasoning. He spent a huge post to target a single theory of mine without throwing in anything relevant or commenting on any other possibility. I suspect that he was purposely trying to sow confusion among all of us while I was trying to simplify the game and provide a few ground rules.

Yes, you are correct in stating that basing arguments off of X - Y (Z) being a fallacy, as the order is randomly assigned. While X, Y, and Z may change positions, what they are is constant. If a cop type roll investigates alignments only and targets, say, jok3r, and he happened to have X where Z would be, the cop wouldn't get back "jok3r" as alignment (ignoring self-aligned here). That would make no sense whatsoever.

So yes, role names ARE role names. Just because they might be in the wrong spot doesn't mean they're suddenly not there or valid. Kant investigates role names and got "GelbSol" as GelbSol's investigation result. This either means that he gets the player name/title on a failed result, or that GelbSol's role name is actually GelbSol and my theory about the "You!" role is correct.

Vote: Clone for starting a logic and semantic-filled fuck-fest that only distracted and delayed the town.

[Cara]

So...we're allowing third parties to comment on the game and talk to everyone? AND THEN POSTING THEIR COMMENTS?


If we do that, can I tell stuff?

[Cee Pee]

So...we're allowing third parties to comment on the game and talk to everyone? AND THEN POSTING THEIR COMMENTS?

yeah fyi you shouldn't be doing that. FoS: CP

We aren't, but all relevant discussions should go through this thread. I only posted this chat because it was privately discussed, and that usually means a modkill. I can only say to PK that this is the only part about the mafia; the rest was about Jenius' failures at editing posts.

So if anyone, you should FoS Jenius. :V

Technically there isn't anything that's stopping people not in play from discussing inside or outside the thread, except, well, the rules. But just wait till I give PK the power to ban >_>
I suspect Kant for following up on my trap and taking the easy lynch, a very scummy move. I voted so readily because it would be easy for scum to follow up on my vote and out themselves. However, you're all idiots and it would have been just as likely that someone would have added on to my vote to kill someone purely for the lulz. My plan would have worked with more experienced players, but source players are just as likely to go for the funny vote as the scummy vote.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I think as well.
I ask you guys: how many of you would have readily made the second vote on day 1 if my vote was on Kant instead of Guile?
I would have not, for reasons stated before.
Now, I suspect Clone for purposely trying to discredit Kant's investigation as well as tarnish my own reasoning. He spent a huge post to target a single theory of mine without throwing in anything relevant or commenting on any other possibility. I suspect that he was purposely trying to sow confusion among all of us while I was trying to simplify the game and provide a few ground rules.
[...]

Vote: Clone for starting a logic and semantic-filled fuck-fest that only distracted and delayed the town.
I'm not sure what to think of it yet. Clone did distract/delay the town with a metagamey analysis of semantics, but then again, not much was happening anyway. I won't defend his ideas since they've been pointed out to be wrong before.
I don't really think either of you is really scummy right now, though. I'd rather hear from other people's opinions first, since countervoting is useless and bandwagoning may have adverse effects regarding input of thoughts.

[Van]

I would have not, for reasons stated before.
I would expect a few players not to, for the obvious reason. But what I mean is, how often has a kantwagon occurred early on? saying "Vote: Kant" in the first post pretty much guarantees his death around here. In fact, in a lot of games on TS the first person to get lynched is the person first voted for. Regardless if the number to lynch was 2 or 12, it usually doesn't make a difference and that person dies. Really, the 2 vote lynch on Day 1 was just quickening the inevitable.

Not that it isn't scummy, mind you. But it's not nearly as scummy as it appears to be.

[PariahKing]

Sorry CP, but that has obviously had a direct impact on the game and intentional or unintentional it would be unfair and cheating to get outside help.

You'll have to be modkilled now - no hard feelings.

PK fires at CP's head.

He was Color Probe, Town Aligned Vanilla.

Fun times!

Vote Count

Clone (1): Van

Deadline: May 16th, 8:00 PM

[Cee Pee]

:V

Best part is that Jenius blames me that he started talking about it, or something.

[Cloneysocks]

My suspicions are on Clone and Kant.

I suspect Kant for following up on my trap and taking the easy lynch, a very scummy move. I voted so readily because it would be easy for scum to follow up on my vote and out themselves. However, you're all idiots and it would have been just as likely that someone would have added on to my vote to kill someone purely for the lulz. My plan would have worked with more experienced players, but source players are just as likely to go for the funny vote as the scummy vote.

I ask you guys: how many of you would have readily made the second vote on day 1 if my vote was on Kant instead of Guile?
I wouldn't have, without some sort of suspicion guiding me. Random lynches statistically favor scum, because there are (hopefully) a lot more townies than scum. It happened to turn out that Guile was in it for himself, but that a random lynch targets such a person is a less than likely result.

As for the funny vote, are you really trying to suggest that you didn't see it coming a mile away, considering the forum?
Now, I suspect Clone for purposely trying to discredit Kant's investigation as well as tarnish my own reasoning. He spent a huge post to target a single theory of mine without throwing in anything relevant or commenting on any other possibility. I suspect that he was purposely trying to sow confusion among all of us while I was trying to simplify the game and provide a few ground rules.

Yes, you are correct in stating that basing arguments off of X - Y (Z) being a fallacy, as the order is randomly assigned. While X, Y, and Z may change positions, what they are is constant. If a cop type roll investigates alignments only and targets, say, jok3r, and he happened to have X where Z would be, the cop wouldn't get back "jok3r" as alignment (ignoring self-aligned here). That would make no sense whatsoever.

So yes, role names ARE role names. Just because they might be in the wrong spot doesn't mean they're suddenly not there or valid. Kant investigates role names and got "GelbSol" as GelbSol's investigation result. This either means that he gets the player name/title on a failed result, or that GelbSol's role name is actually GelbSol and my theory about the "You!" role is correct.

Vote: Clone for starting a logic and semantic-filled fuck-fest that only distracted and delayed the town.
Hehehe, apparently I posted all that for no reason, because you clearly missed the point.

The order may or may not be relevant to investigations - It's possible that someone with an investigative role finds the first term, the second term, or the third term of someone's role, regardless of the order character, power, and alignment are arranged. However, we don't have enough data to say either way about this, having had only one night each of us, so until tomorrow this theory can sit and wait. if it isn't, don't assume that investigations will surely bring up someone's alignment, rather than the character name of their role or the power of their role. On this day, for in the PK'dex there are no roles (besides You!, but I'll get to that) or alignments called GelbSol, it seems that Kant's investigation found the character name of GelbSol's role. This argument does not, as you say it does, discredit Kant's investigation whatsoever. It simply indicates that, on the previous night, his power did not detect alignment. While this seems to limit the application of Kant's power, I have already suggested a way in which (w/h)e might use it - to detect discrepancies between poster name and role character name. I will restate it, with more evidence now that ColorProbe has been modkilled.

Guille, when he died, was referred to as a Self-Aligned Jester. Cee Pee, when he died, was referred to as Color Probe, Town Aligned Vanilla. Note that Guille's character name was not specified in his role upon death*. I'm well aware that I'm town, and that my character name is, as well as my account name, Cloneysocks. We know that the same is true of GelbSol, for that name.Cee Pee (aka Color Probe), called Color Probe in this game, did not take up his role power by being called Color Probe (he took it up with Vanilla). I, being called Cloneysocks in this game, also have a role power, that does not include being called Cloneysocks. There's no need to resort to the You! role to explain auto-appellation in this game. What's your role's character name? It may be that Kant will find someone whose character name does not match their role name. We will have suspicions about such a person.

*However, his name was bolded in the death post. It's hard to read into things with certainty.

To suggest instead that Kant's role returns tautology on failure does more to discredit him than my explanation of the situation.

tl;dr: investigation doesn't automatically mean find out alignment, rather than power or character name.

Also, I'd be really interested to learn of anyone who isn't called by a name they've posted on TS with.

[LegendShark]

I am suspicious of Van for being absolutely retarded about understanding the way roles work in this game, but he does normally suck at understanding shit so I'm not that suspicious.

I am suspicious of Kant for hammering Guile, but it is probably just justice for being Kantwagoned so many times, so I'm not that suspicious.

I am suspicious of clone for being an asshole, but he is always an asshole, so I'm not that suspicious.

Really there is nothing to go on.

[Kant]

I realize that we are low on town because of Cee Pee's idiocy, but, as Gelbsol isn't active, why don't we vote him and see if I'm correct?

I just realized the fact that I got back the users current name, rather than the name that PK calls them by, might be resulting of a failed investigation (IE, a succeeded investivation would have gotten Golden Sun)

Or perhaps I'm overthinking.

[Cloneysocks]

I realize that we are low on town because of Cee Pee's idiocy, but, as Gelbsol isn't active, why don't we vote him and see if I'm correct?

I just realized the fact that I got back the users current name, rather than the name that PK calls them by, might be resulting of a failed investigation (IE, a succeeded investivation would have gotten Golden Sun)

Or perhaps I'm overthinking.

Before we lynch someone based on that we should have another trial from another night, so as to get a better understanding of your role.

Lurker count (players with more than 5 posts not listed):
Regret: 1 post
jok3r: 3 posts
GelbSol: 0 posts
jimbyob: 2 posts
Naga: 3 posts

However, GelbSol hasn't even posted in this thread since he started the game...

[Regret]

I'm almost inclined to be more suspicious of someone who made 1 post than someone who made 0. I don't think one would forget to post at all, especially if they were mafia, so the lack of posting might have more legitimate reason. How active has Gelb_Sol been on the forum in general?

[Naga]

So, wait, what happened with CP? I was under the impression that Jenius was in the game, when I read it first, but he's not, right?

[LegendShark]

Gelb_Sol has actually been pretty active. And in the posting games section, too.

That's pretty suspicious.

FoS: GelbSol.

[LegendShark]

Wait, never mind, I'm wrong. His last post was on the fifth.

:red:

[jok3r]

Before we lynch someone based on that we should have another trial from another night, so as to get a better understanding of your role.

Lurker count (players with more than 5 posts not listed):
Regret: 1 post
jok3r: 3 posts
GelbSol: 0 posts
jimbyob: 2 posts
Naga: 3 posts

However, GelbSol hasn't even posted in this thread since he started the game...

What would you like me to say? As of before work, nothing was happening.

[PariahKing]

Vote Count

Clone (1): Van

Deadline: May 18th, 8:00 PM

5 to lynch.

All of the following were prodded: GelbSol, jimbyob.

Due to prods, extension to the 18th is apropos.

[jimbyob]

Random is random. :dance:

I hate you :V



Also, I'd be really interested to learn of anyone who isn't called by a name they've posted on TS with.

I have 2 role names one of which is my TS name, so I assume you are right here.

What would you like me to say? As of before work, nothing was happening.

Basically this for me to.

I may have misread because it was mostly a skim to see anything important, but is it still 2 to lynch?

[PariahKing]

No, it's 5 to lynch.

[LegendShark]

I'm almost inclined to be more suspicious of someone who made 1 post than someone who made 0. I don't think one would forget to post at all, especially if they were mafia, so the lack of posting might have more legitimate reason. How active has Gelb_Sol been on the forum in general?

Lol you do realize you were one of the people who previously had one post.

[Regret]

Lol you do realize you were one of the people who previously had one post.
Lol you do realize I was the only one who previously had one post.

[LegendShark]

Lol you do realize I was the only one who previously had one post.

lol i deid realize that.

[GelbSol]

I feel like if I have nothing to comment on, then there isnt a real reason for me to post. I dont want a bunch of posts from me that all say, "I agree/ fellate" etc. but yeah weve been busy at work, but now im back...

[Naga]

Wait I'm still confused. What was the entire point of the order of the alignment?

[PariahKing]

DEADLINE REDUCTION: TOMORROW 8:00 PM

If nothing changes, Clone will be lynched by Van's single vote.

[LegendShark]

Vort: Regret for trollin

And now it will be a tie.

[Regret]

Obvious FoS: Legendshark

???

If you're just trying to tie the score so no one will be lynched prematurely then I understand but please explain yourself.

[Cloneysocks]

Vote: Van for Mutually Assured Destruction.

[PariahKing]

In the event of a tie, the newest votes are removed until someone obtains a plurality.

[LegendShark]

Obvious FoS: Legendshark

???

If you're just trying to tie the score so no one will be lynched prematurely then I understand but please explain yourself.

That was pretty much what I was going for.

I don't especially think Clone should be lynched, but apparantly the way the tie system works he would be anyway. I was just trying to put off the lynch without voting no lynch.

Unvote: regret

[Cloneysocks]

Ah, that's a good system.

[PariahKing]

DEADLINE: TODAY 8:00 PM EST [GMT -4]

If nothing changes, Clone will be lynched by Van's single vote.

[LegendShark]

Where is GMT -4?

[Cloneysocks]

If it's not too late, Unvote, Vote: Regret

Sorry, but I'd rather not die.

[Cloneysocks]

Crap, he unvoted anyway. I guess Van gets to kill me in yet another game...

[PariahKing]

Clone realizes he's about to get lynched on one vote and suicides in spite in response.

He was...Boat Rocker, Town Aligned.

It's now Night Two. Send in your night roles. Deadline is in two days.

[PariahKing]

I'll whim the deadline to 8:00 PM today, EST [GMT -4].

[PariahKing]

You all wake up - to see Regret, Town Aligned Archangel dead.

Also dead is LegendFish, Mafia Aligned Helldozer.

Both of their heads were in your bed. Yes, all seven of you. Their heads were cloned for your disgustion.

It's Day 3. With six remaining, 4 to lynch.

[Van]

For those unaware, summarized:

Archangel - Town cannot lose as long as this player is alive.
Boat Rocker - Gets protected from one death at night. Can choose a player at night, and if that player would die, the Boat Rocker dies instead.
Helldozer - Targets a player each night, kills them if they are a land.

So now we've got some sort of vig or SK running around. Clone's ability already explains that lack of two deaths night one if its a nightly ability. Though so far everything is totally unconventional, so LS's death could be the result of anything :V

[jimbyob]

Such a shame that Cloney got lynched, if I was active enough I would have tried to save him, he was so obv town, I also think Van is scum, I'll re read and explain my reasoning soon.

[LegendShark]

Oh fiddlesticks

[PariahKing]

Deadline

May 25th, 8:00 PM

[jimbyob]

Was gonna wait until someone posted till I posted but I guess everyone is waiting.

Vote: Guile for stupidity.

Started a random vote wagon on day one with a 2 vote threshold, he tries to pass this off as harmless random voting when it obviously isn't, voting at all with a lynch thresh hold that small is not only reckless but scummy.


My suspicions are on Clone and Kant.

I suspect Kant for following up on my trap and taking the easy lynch, a very scummy move. I voted so readily because it would be easy for scum to follow up on my vote and out themselves. However, you're all idiots and it would have been just as likely that someone would have added on to my vote to kill someone purely for the lulz. My plan would have worked with more experienced players, but source players are just as likely to go for the funny vote as the scummy vote.

Again you are trying to pass the day one lynch off as nothing, that it was a joke, the difference being I think Kant was being an idiot, where as I expect better from you (haha, I know) but you started the wagon which puts you at fault just as much as Kant. Your "plan" was obviously knowing someone on TS would be stupid enough to put another vote on to end the day quickly.


I ask you guys: how many of you would have readily made the second vote on day 1 if my vote was on Kant instead of Guile?


Anyone who would is bad at mafia.

I've also noticed that you have continually had a vote on someone, yet you are not being aggressive at all, you have been to eager to get people lynched.

I think that Van is the best lynch for today.

Vote: Van

[jok3r]

Was gonna wait until someone posted till I posted but I guess everyone is waiting.
Yeah, I was kinda waiting.


Started a random vote wagon on day one with a 2 vote threshold, he tries to pass this off as harmless random voting when it obviously isn't, voting at all with a lynch thresh hold that small is not only reckless but scummy.
While I generally agree, there is something to disagree over: as voting for day 1 is essentially randomized, he has a defense. Guile did act like an idiot (which, it turns out, was very good for him). Had Guile not won there and been anything but his role, there would have been nothing suspicious (well, not nearly as much) about Van's vote. Still, I agree that he did too much to make light of it.


Again you are trying to pass the day one lynch off as nothing, that it was a joke, the difference being I think Kant was being an idiot, where as I expect better from you (haha, I know) but you started the wagon which puts you at fault just as much as Kant. Your "plan" was obviously knowing someone on TS would be stupid enough to put another vote on to end the day quickly.
Yeah, here's the same thing the end of my last statement said. Relying on others' inability to rationalize (hell, I made one post: "I'm here" after kant guilewagoned the lynch) seems like a pretty scummy tactic, even if Guile himself seemed kinda scummy.


I've also noticed that you have continually had a vote on someone, yet you are not being aggressive at all, you have been to eager to get people lynched.

I think that Van is the best lynch for today.

Vote: Van

I'm not going to put my vote in just yet, but I totally agree and I'm definitely FoS: Vaning for the night.

[jimbyob]

I also believe Kant to be the third scum, he has been unbelievably scummy all game, not to mention is Information Dealer role could easily be mafia aligned.

I'd like to direct you to post #75 (http://tasteslikespam.com/showpost.php?p=28131&postcount=75), LegendShark intentionally mentions Kant and Van and states the cases on them, then goes on to say that they arn't that suspicious after all, notice he gives an un game related reason for voting Clone.

Kant has used the excuse that "He didn't want to be Kant wagoned" which is really not an excuse at all, I'm more sure on him being scum than I am Van, but I really think Van is a better lynch for today.

[PariahKing]

If you're all waiting, we'll never progress. :shifty:

I'd appreciate more postage from all here. I'll send prods.

[jok3r]

I've thought it over and I'm with jimbyob. Vote: Van.

[Naga]

I don't think Van's day one vote really makes him that scummy. If you were mafia, would you want to throw yourself into the open like that? Yes, they need to kill all the townies, but at attempt at just murdering Guile like that feels more like brute force, that a cunning scum member, in the context of Van being mafia. But I really don't think he is. It was day one, no one knew anything yet, and there was a lynch count of 2. There couldn't really be a debate because of the amount of votes that were needed to lynch. He seemed to just be getting it over with, and sparking some activity. Sure, he could be mafdia, but I don't think that your example is relevant.

[jok3r]

I don't think Van's day one vote really makes him that scummy. If you were mafia, would you want to throw yourself into the open like that? Yes, they need to kill all the townies, but at attempt at just murdering Guile like that feels more like brute force, that a cunning scum member, in the context of Van being mafia. But I really don't think he is. It was day one, no one knew anything yet, and there was a lynch count of 2. There couldn't really be a debate because of the amount of votes that were needed to lynch. He seemed to just be getting it over with, and sparking some activity. Sure, he could be mafdia, but I don't think that your example is relevant.

But as I said, guile did seem scummy. His reasoning later is what makes me more suspicious.

[PariahKing]

This is sad.

Deadline cut to today, 8:00 PM

[Van]

Started a random vote wagon on day one with a 2 vote threshold, he tries to pass this off as harmless random voting when it obviously isn't, voting at all with a lynch thresh hold that small is not only reckless but scummy.Obviously, it's reckless. Day 1 is a slow day anyway, and it almost always ends in a random townie getting killed. Speeding up the process and possibly pulling out scum (that was a big piece of scum bait I laid out with my vote) is better than just sitting with our thumbs up our asses too afraid to vote for anyone because there is a 2 vote limit. There's only a 3 vote limit now, isn't there? Why are you suddenly now exempt from placing a vote with so low a threshold? How is my vote scummy and yours not, as you placing an improper vote could lead to total elimination of the town at this point in the game.


Again you are trying to pass the day one lynch off as nothing, that it was a joke, the difference being I think Kant was being an idiot, where as I expect better from you (haha, I know) but you started the wagon which puts you at fault just as much as Kant. Your "plan" was obviously knowing someone on TS would be stupid enough to put another vote on to end the day quickly.2 votes is not a wagon. And yes, that pretty much was my plan, because it would be a great chance for scum for pile on an extra vote. I happened to believe Kant reasoning, and personally wanted to actually have him alive for more than one day.



Anyone who would is bad at mafia.Well I think almost everyone on TS is really bad at mafia.

I've also noticed that you have continually had a vote on someone, yet you are not being aggressive at all, you have been to eager to get people lynched.Because no one fucking posts anything, so I have no reason to get aggressive because there is nothing to respond to. You're essentially voting me for actually paying attention and willing to place a vote every once in a while. Placing votes is the most "aggressive" thing you can do in this game, and I had the balls to do it. If you really expect better from me as a player, wouldn't you know that I wouldn't be so stupid to do this as scum?

I also believe Kant to be the third scum, he has been unbelievably scummy all game, not to mention is Information Dealer role could easily be mafia aligned.Roles are independent of alignment, as I've stated before. They were randomly generated, so you can have cops and doctors be mafia and traditional scum roles (can't think of any atm) be town.

I'd like to direct you to post #75, LegendShark intentionally mentions Kant and Van and states the cases on them, then goes on to say that they arn't that suspicious after all, notice he gives an un game related reason for voting Clone.Because we were the suspicious ones at the moment, so he felt the need to address us. By voting Clone, he let the scummier players live so that they can be taken out further down the line. Good scum hits go for the player most believed to be town.

Kant has used the excuse that "He didn't want to be Kant wagoned" which is really not an excuse at all, I'm more sure on him being scum than I am Van, but I really think Van is a better lynch for today.THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

In addition, you've contradicted yourself by saying before that "Kant was just an idiot" and not throwing any suspicion on him at all in the first post, and now you're saying that he's the scummiest player?

So you're trying to get rid of me, the less scummy player in your eyes, and setting up a chain lynch to get rid of Kant the next day? You just revealed your hand, bub. That's scummy as all fuck this late in the game and I'm not letting you get away with that.

Vote: jimbyob

Oh, and I'm Faith Healer. Who the fuck are you?

[mrs_bun]

Well I think almost everyone on TS is really bad at mafia

AHEM :teach:

[PariahKing]

Van was Faith Healer, Mafia Aligned.

No vote count, flavor. Just shame at your activity level.

It's now Night 3.

[PariahKing]

mrs bun replaces gelbsol

[PariahKing]

Jim stands over Kant.

Kant is puzzled. "Don't I have a self protection ability?"

Jim laughs. "You can't use it on yourself."

"But it's not in my PM!"

"Well, that's a technicality. It was copied and pasted and in the meta of the time, it was auto-assumed it couldn't be used. Besides, this disaster of a game must end."

Jim blows Kant away. Kant was Repentant Murder, Mafia Aligned.

Town MPV: Jim

Without Jim, this game is easily won by the mafia. Easily. I even called this game to be over on an IM convo with Mistform Dragon. With his vigilante role, he killed two of the scum and got the other lynched. Overwhelmingly great play in what turned out to be ironically quite the crapfest of a mafia game due to inactivity. Literally, a shining light in a storm of garbage.

As for the mafia - Kant's mistake was to claim a non-PK'dex role which should've killed him instantly. Hammering was also bad.

I liked Van's play, he has improved leaps and bounds from Conflux and is evolving into a very good player. LF did a good job of not getting noticed.

The town other than Jim did nothing. Clone was OK. That's about it.

Set Up, Randomly Selected:

Faith Healer – Mafia (Van)
Each night you may protect a player of your choice. This has a 50% of working.

Helldozer – Mafia (LegendFish)
Each night, you may attempt to kill target player. If they are a land, they die.

Repentant Murder – Mafia (Kant)
In the past you have killed many people in the shallow pursuit of jello, but you’ve changed your ways and have fled here to start a new life. You’ve killed enough people to know how to both protect and investigate them. Therefore, each night you may select one person to either investigate or protect.

However, since you’re afraid of the town knowing your true identity, you are extremely wary of people casting suspicion at you. Therefore, if you are FoS’d 3 times, you will automatically die.

Boat Rocker – Town (Cloneysocks)
You survive the first time you would be night killed by one source. Each night, you may select a player of your choice - if they would die, you die instead. (May or may not know if the first ability is used up or not.)

Jester – Self (Guile)
You win if you’re lynched.

Cop – Town (Naga)
Targets a player of their choice each night. They learn if the selected player is innocent or guilty.
N1: Van – Innocent
N2: Regret - Scum
Mod Notes: Random

Vanilla – Cee Pee (Town)
You’re vanilla.

President – Town (jok3r)
If you claim cop, you are immune to night kill. (If you give up your claim, you lose this ability.)

Signet – Town (jimmy)
At the beginning of the game, you have a choice of two abilities. Pick one - you'll have it the rest of the game, and the other, never again.
Vigilante or Roleblocker (Vig)
N1: No
N2: Vig Legendfish

Hylian – Town (GelbSol)
You are given a role name each night for you to try and find the next night. Each night you may target a player of your choice. If they have the role name from last night, you now have a triple vote for the coming day - then it expires.

Bipolar Cop – Town (Carados)
Each night, you may target a player of your choice. You will receive information saying that player is good or evil, scum or not scum, etc. You have sanity issues and start off as an insane cop - but every time you are protected from any source, your sanity flips from insane to sane or sane to insane. If you are protected multiple times, flip each time and "resolve" the protections before your investigation.

Archangel – Town (Regret)
As long as you are alive, if something would occur to cause the town to the lose the game, it instead doesn't happen...unless it is related to you or your death. Then it does happen.

[PariahKing]

Thanks for replacing in, Bun.

[Clem]

Thanks for hosting the game PK. It was definitely interesting...

Thanks to the scum, for giving me the win, and props to jim for blowing the scum away.

[Cara]

Thanks for killing me the first night.

[Jenius]

I think I should win for calling Van and Kant scum before anyone else did :V.

[PariahKing]

That was pretty blatant, wasn't it? It was like a red flag asking for a lynch. But it worked to their advantage.

And oh yes, Clem won too. Good show, sport.

I was surprised Kant lived after claiming a non-PK'dex role.

[Jenius]

[QUOTE=PariahKing;29119]That was pretty blatant, wasn't it? It was like a red flag asking for a lynch. But it worked to their advantage.
QUOTE]

Well pretty much the second Van tried to start a WIFOM with it, it was pretty obvious he did it knowing he could claim no scum would be dumb enough to do that. He was one layer of yomi too shallow to try to pull a stunt off like that, but with how terrible/inactive the players in this game were, I guess I can't blame him for trying.

[Jenius]

That was pretty blatant, wasn't it? It was like a red flag asking for a lynch. But it worked to their advantage.


Well pretty much the second Van tried to start a WIFOM with it, it was pretty obvious he did it knowing he could claim no scum would be dumb enough to do that. He was one layer of yomi too shallow to try to pull a stunt off like that, but with how terrible/inactive the players in this game were, I guess I can't blame him for trying.

[Jenius]

So I thought that was the edit button.

Also note the triple post.

[LegendShark]

How did they get me? I was not noticeable at all.

[jimbyob]

How did they get me? I was not noticeable at all.

Yes you were, you were obviously scum half way through the game, I'll explain why later.

[jimbyob]

Yup. Absolutely nothing.

See, to most people this would seem like nothing, but any good townie will never automatically think that nothing was gained from a lynch no matter how bad it looks, thought this was just the start, and not really that telling.

Should we randomvote? I mean it's almost like it's day one. Except people are dead.

THIS on the other hand, really made me suspect you, a randomvote on day 2 is never the right answer as a townie, no matter how bad the situation is.

I am suspicious of Van for being absolutely retarded about understanding the way roles work in this game, but he does normally suck at understanding shit so I'm not that suspicious.

I am suspicious of Kant for hammering Guile, but it is probably just justice for being Kantwagoned so many times, so I'm not that suspicious.

I am suspicious of clone for being an asshole, but he is always an asshole, so I'm not that suspicious.

Really there is nothing to go on.

This was the worst part of the game for you, if you used a good excuse for Clone, it might have been ok, the fact that Clone had played a townish game most of the game and ended up coming up town, having suspicions on someone but then trying to dismiss it as nothing is never good for the person you do it to. This helped me a lot in choosing how I was going to end it, I knew Kant was scum, it was so obvious, this post helped me in thinking Van was scum as well.

Gelb_Sol has actually been pretty active. And in the posting games section, too.

That's pretty suspicious.

FoS: GelbSol.

Also, having your vote on someone at all times is not a good idea, you were to eager to keep your vote on someone at all times during the game, this helped me in noticing you.

[Jenius]

You have a surprisingly good eye. I was suspicious of Van and Kant since day 1 for their fairly obvious blunder, but I'm not sure I would have picked up on LS even had I been paying more attention.

I've only actually played mafia like once though.

[Naga]

Who the fuck is Jim?

[Cee Pee]

Who the fuck is Jim?
jimbyob.

Anyway, you're supposed to start the next mafia now. :V

[Kant]

So did I win?

[jimbyob]

So did I win?

no

[Kant]

no

Damn.