MWS Funny Plays

[jok3r]

So I was playing Ugw DreadStill with counter-top and dropped goyf turn 2. He had gone turn 1 thoughtseize, my counterbalance and saw i had no counters playable. i played a land and passed. he went bloodstained mire, mountain, then he dropped a mogg fanatic and siezed my trinket mage. i hit a land and played goyf, now a 4/5. He swings in, i block. He sacs fanatic to put 2 damage on my goyf then lightning bolts it. SBE etc, he got sad.

It is now turn 4 (giophzzz)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
giophzzz untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
giophzzz draws a card
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Attackers Step
giophzzz taps Mogg Fanatic
giophzzz taps Mogg Fanatic
It is now the Combat Phase, Declare Blockers Step
(I block with goyf.)
giophzzz puts Mogg Fanatic to Graveyard from Play
giophzzz taps Mountain
giophzzz plays Lightning Bolt from Hand
<giophzzz> Ok?
Tarmogoyf is now 5/6
<Jok3R> Ok
<System> Player Lost

[Fonzy]

This is why Tarmogofys are lame.

[Jenius]

So resolving spells hit graveyard before sbe are checked for death? That's cool I guess.

[Fonzy]

So resolving spells hit graveyard before sbe are checked for death? That's cool I guess.

Yeah. I hear it was a common screwup for people to try to Tarfire a Goyf with empty graveyards during Time Spiral-Lorwyn Standard, only to have someone break them the bad news.

[Jenius]

Why would wizards print this card anyways? It's a 2 mana for something that's probably a 3/4 at worst most of the time. It's not even GG, it's 1G right?

They're trying too hard to make this a creature oriented game, it's lame to destroy control in the process imo.

[Jenius]

As a side note this wasn't mws but I had a hilarious game the other day. This person plays this 3UU sorcery that's like bribery but worse (it reveals cards from the top of an opponents deck until it hits a creature, puts it into play under their control and throws the rest in the yard ) but I had no creatures in my deck so he decked me. Then eot I was like beacon of destruction and I totally rode it to victory.

[Fonzy]

Why would wizards print this card anyways? It's a 2 mana for something that's probably a 3/4 at worst most of the time. It's not even GG, it's 1G right?

They're trying too hard to make this a creature oriented game, it's lame to destroy control in the process imo.

Yeah it's one of those cards that shouldn't have been printed as it was. It's like honest to god they don't playtest sometimes.

[jok3r]

Yeah it's one of those cards that shouldn't have been printed as it was. It's like honest to god they don't playtest sometimes.

It's good. Hell, it's great. It still isn't as good as other two drops. Not even as good as a couple 1-drops.

[Jenius]

It's good. Hell, it's great. It still isn't as good as other two drops. Not even as good as a couple 1-drops.

It's still retarded and broken. Not broken enough to warrant any rules against it (probably, I dunno I don't play srs magic) but 1G for something that strong is ridiculous and is totally not well costed at all.

Wizards won't print a drawbackless 3/3 for 1G and this is obviously stronger. It's simply above the curve. It's a creature so it can be handled, but it's clear there's something fundamentally wrong with it.

[jok3r]

It's balanced because every major kill spells takes it out. Terminate, Terror, Smother, Snuff Out, Deathmark, etc.

And while no one will argue that it's properly costed, it's hard to argue true brokeness. It's just the epitome of efficient beaters.

[Jenius]

And while no one will argue that it's properly costed, it's hard to argue true brokeness. It's just the epitome of efficient beaters.


Wizards won't print a drawbackless 3/3 for 1G and this is obviously stronger. It's simply above the curve. It's a creature so it can be handled, but it's clear there's something fundamentally wrong with it.

[Fonzy]

It's good. Hell, it's great. It still isn't as good as other two drops. Not even as good as a couple 1-drops.

Just for argument's sake, name me a couple 1- and 2-drops that you would run over Goyf, assuming no color restrictions.

It's balanced because every major kill spells takes it out. Terminate, Terror, Smother, Snuff Out, Deathmark, etc.

This is why it'll never be accurately said that that Goyf is a "broken" in the sense that cards like Skullclamp or Memory Jar are broken. This is why this card irks me so much though. Everyone who says, "dies to removal" or "lol vanilla beater" is exactly right, but this still pushes creature power levels too far. Not too far to be called broken, but far enough to be ubiquitous and obnoxious.

[jok3r]

Just for argument's sake, name me a couple 1- and 2-drops that you would run over Goyf, assuming no color restrictions.
Goblin Welder, Goblin Lackey, Dark Confidant. There is no more efficient beaters, but some creatures do serve other purposes much better.


This is why it'll never be accurately said that that Goyf is a "broken" in the sense that cards like Skullclamp or Memory Jar are broken. This is why this card irks me so much though. Everyone who says, "dies to removal" or "lol vanilla beater" is exactly right, but this still pushes creature power levels too far. Not too far to be called broken, but far enough to be ubiquitous and obnoxious.

I'll deal with this one after my final.

[Fonzy]

Goblin Welder, Goblin Lackey, Dark Confidant. There is no more efficient beaters, but some creatures do serve other purposes much better.

See that's the thing, though. You wouldn't necessarily replace any of them with a Goyf or vice versa (Confidant toes the line I guess), because they play completely different roles in a deck.