Guild Wars

[Zerg]

So I still play it.

Not really srs bizness anymore, because srs bizness PvP is terribly unbalanced and mostly dead, as a result. In fact, by "play it", I pretty much mean "kill terribads in alliance battles and then rank their corpses and trashtalk them"

GW is one of the best places on the Internets to troll people.

So if you'd like to join me in trolling terribads, poast here and/or PM Alleji Atreides (you will probably be greeted with a "who r u")

[Naga]

lol

[Keeper]

video games are for children.

you can't play them "seriously".

[Zerg]

video games are for children.

you can't play them "seriously".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft_professional_competition

:V

[Shadow]

video games are for children.

you can't play them "seriously".
I do meth then go to my halo mlg tournies so suck it.

[Keeper]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft_professional_competition

:V

yeah BUT what about the fact that the fact that that article exists is pathetic, huh?

[Zerg]

yeah BUT what about the fact that the fact that that article exists is pathetic, huh?Ooh, the cool guy calls being the best in the world at a game, having your games broadcast on TV, and making a living off said game pathetic.

It's almost like I'm back in grade 10. :V

[Penner]

yeah that game's dead. I'm not going back.

[notallama]

i still play from time to time.

pretty much just ab.

[Penner]

I was actually really into the Halls meta for a while, my guild was one of the first to go on that big string of SoMW Spike wins if you remember that build...

got kind of blech, stale and achievements sucked any of the fun that was left into a chore. I didn't even finish Eye of the North

[Zerg]

I was actually really into the Halls meta for a while, my guild was one of the first to go on that big string of SoMW Spike wins if you remember that build...SoMW spike ever had a big string of wins?

[Penner]

SoMW spike ever had a big string of wins?

14's pretty good for holding halls.

[Zerg]

14's pretty good for holding halls.How does a terrible build that rolls over and dies to 1 (one) mesmer win 14 in a row?





...oh, right, I guess IWAY doesn't run mesmers.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Do people still play this?

I haven't touched this game for about 2 years now.

[Naga]

Do people still play this?

I haven't touched this game for about 2 years now.

I used to play with Alleji, but that was like, forever ago I thought it had to be dead.

[Penner]

How does a terrible build that rolls over and dies to 1 (one) mesmer win 14 in a row?





...oh, right, I guess IWAY doesn't run mesmers.

it was an IWAY and Rspike meta, we won pretty easily but we just had to sit there waiting for that fecking long cooldown. Easy to play but really boring.

[Zerg]

Looking to shoot some terribads right about now. Anyone wanna come?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Is there a way to install it without the discs... I can't find them.

[Naga]

Is there a way to install it without the discs... I can't find them.

Torrent?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Well, I used to install just 1 disc and download the rest automaticly. Does it still work that way?

[Fonzy]

Hay giez I play WoW!

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Hay giez I play WoW!:nono:

[notallama]

you can download the client from the gw site.

[Zerg]

Client here: http://www.guildwars.com/support/downloadclient/default.php

The "basic" download should be pretty tiny, but the way GW works, it will a) constantly stream content while you play the game and b) download each area/town when you enter it, which will take a long time.

So after you get the client, I suggest running a shortcut with -image (http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Command_line), which will download all 5 gigs (or however big it is) of the game at once.

Hay giez I play WoW!
Cool story bro.

I finished PvE (PvP in that game is terrible) and cancelled. :V

[Van]

Hay giez I play WoW!

this

[Fonzy]

I finished PvE (PvP in that game is terrible) and cancelled. :V

Did you say hi to Arthas for me?

[Tee See Em]

Did you say hi to Arthas for me?
Hasn't Arthas' famous world PVP been dead for years?

Shit. You're talking about the character, not the server, right? Right. k. Nevermind.

[Fonzy]

Hasn't Arthas' famous world PVP been dead for years?

Shit. You're talking about the character, not the server, right? Right. k. Nevermind.

Me no likey PvP.

[Zerg]

Did you say hi to Arthas for me?Yeah, I walked up to him on my DK, thought we were gonna have a couple beers, talk about the old times, etc.

But he just screamed O NOEZ A DK and dropped dead.

[Fonzy]

Yeah, I walked up to him on my DK, thought we were gonna have a couple beers, talk about the old times, etc.

But he just screamed O NOEZ A DK and dropped dead.

I knew there was a secret to the encounter.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Never played PvP on GW actually... just a bit with my Mesmer, but never for realz

[Fonzy]

Never played PvP on GW actually... just a bit with my Mesmer, but never for realz

WAT

PVP IS SRS BZNS

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

^^Exactly the reason why I never dare to enter^^

[Zerg]

Well, there is "srs bizness" PvP - GvG and HA (there was, rather; it's mostly dead now) and there's casual PvP - RA, AB, Aspenwood and Jade Quarry.

Of course, about half the people in AB think AB is srs bizness, which frequently causes lulz.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Heh... I remember being annoyed to get 10.000 factions to move on in the factions expansions... caused me some time in aspenwood.

[mrs_bun]

Alleji Atreides

:rip:

[BlaineTog]

I'm trying to get out, l but I have so much free time this semester and not enough energy to spend it reading/writing. The game has really gone down hill since Factions came out, and these days it's a total rock/paper/scissors match, only with several hundred options rather than just three and all but one of them screw you.

[Zerg]

I got off my ass, went to halls, and got r11 last night.

Yay me.

I know, nobody cares, but I feel special.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Considering you took R,

Yes

[Zerg]

Considering you took R,Wat?

[Naga]

What does that mean?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Wat?Ranger is teh suck

[Cara]

More then likely I'm going to pick up Guild Wars 2.

[Zerg]

Ranger is teh suckYou're bad, and no, I didn't get r11 with a ranger. :V

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

You're bad, and no, I didn't get r11 with a ranger. :VW, E, Mo, N and D are good
Me, Ri and P are fun
R and A are teh suck.

:V

[Zerg]

W, E, Mo, N and D are good
Me, Ri and P are fun
R and A are teh suck.

:VYou're bad
:V

[notallama]

i like flatbows!

[Zerg]

It would be pretty cool if people who played actually posted their names >.>

[Purser The Guy]

Mornkor Tallrock




But you already know this. :P

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

:VI thought I already stated in this thread I rarely played PvP. :V

[Zerg]

I thought I already stated in this thread I rarely played PvP. :VAnd that excuses you for making such a blanket and completely wrong assertion (even in regards to PvE)? :V

[Zerg]

In other news (well, not really news), GW is pretty good for trolling.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/Zerg0nator2/gw143.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/Zerg0nator2/gw147-1.jpg

...and some real internet drama!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/Zerg0nator2/chomisbaed.jpg

[Jenius]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/Jenius/GriffonFarming.jpg

[Dullahan]

Hi guys I play GW too


IGN: Shai Vym

[Zerg]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/Zerg0nator2/applypoison.jpg

:V

[Van]

So is it a stance or a prep?

:V

[Zerg]

So is it a stance or a prep?

:VYou don't play this game, but you like to read every thread on TS, rite? :V

[Van]

You don't play this game, but you like to read every thread on TS, rite? :V

I felt like making a bun post. :V

And I used to play.

[Shadow]

I felt like making a bun post. :V

And I used to play.

Just face it, you want to post in every thread.

[Van]

Just face it, you want to post in every thread.

FUCK YOU'RE RIGHT

:sad:

I just feel that if I post more, it will make others post more.

I fucking hate it when the forum slows down.

[Shadow]

It happens at some time during the night. People just sorta f5 once in a while and that's it.

[mrs_bun]

FUCK YOU'RE RIGHT

:sad:

I just feel that if I post more, it will make others post more.

I fucking hate it when the forum slows down.

Are you being mocky? :stare:

[Van]

It happens at some time during the night. People just sorta f5 once in a while and that's it.

During the night?

It happens all the time every fucking day :V

[Shadow]

Well, alright. :V

[mrs_bun]

I'm trying yall omg!

Also, I liked GW but no one I knew played really.

[Zerg]

Also, I liked GW but no one I knew played really.We should play some ABs.

And then have sex.

[mrs_bun]

:o

How many people play GW tho seriously?

[Zerg]

Anet isn't constantly bragging like blizzard~

THIS JUST IN: WOW HAS 11.65 MILLION SUBSCRIPTIONS

~but they said it used to be around 2 million at its peak. Ask on any forum and people will tell you that 50-90% of their friends raged the game because anet is bad at balancing, so I'll take a conservative estimate of 75%, and cut that 2 million in 4.

Which leaves us with 500k

Then I'll cut that in half cause I'm bitter. So 250-500k.

:V

[mrs_bun]

Anet?

[Zerg]

Anet?My pet name for your mother.

[mrs_bun]

:P

Seriously tho, what is Anet?

[Penner]

ARENANET; MAKERS OF GUILD WARS.

[BlaineTog]

Ask on any forum and people will tell you that 50-90% of their friends raged the game because anet is bad at balancing, so I'll take a conservative estimate of 75%, and cut that 2 million in 4.It's true. My Ele shouldn't feel obligated to take Ether Prism into RA solely to mitigate how badly sins can fuck him (though OH MAN does it ever mitigate!).

[Zerg]

It's true. My Ele shouldn't feel obligated to take Ether Prism into RA solely to mitigate how badly sins can fuck him (though OH MAN does it ever mitigate!).You could take bsurge :V

The problem with sins isn't how strong they are. They aren't. The problem is that playing a sin, especially the current variety, generally consists of pressing 12345(6) in sequence, 7 if something goes wrong, and 8 if you need to res someone, so a complete moron can play a PS sin about 90% as effectively as the top players. The skill gap that exists between a bad warrior, a good one, and an amazing one, does not exist for sins.

It's a class that lets bad players perform far beyond their abilities, and most players are bad. So when you face a bad player on a ranger, or a warrior, or most other things, he fails. He spams his dshots, he can't land bull's, he had no clue when to switch targets and to which one, and he's never going to divert anything except by a stroke of luck. When you face him on a sin, all of a sudden he can fuck you up about as hard as a top 50 GvG warrior.

[BlaineTog]

You could take bsurge :VIt's not enough.

If he took Assassin's Remedy, I'm screwed.

If they have a monk (and IMX they usually do, even though I rarely do), I'm screwed.

If he's packing Temple Strike, I'm screwed.

If he's packing any of a number of skills that knockdown/interrupt on the lead attack, I'm screwed.

If he took Shock, I'm screwed.

If he attacks someone else first, I'm screwed.

If there are two sins, I'm screwed.

If I'm low on energy, I'm screwed.

If they have a mesmer that's tossed pretty much any mesmer hex on me, or is packing interrupts, I'm screwed.

Ether Prism is cheap, impossible to disrupt, and pretty much foolproof. If he notices me using it in time, pulls back for a few seconds, and then attacks, I'm screwed, or if they have two sins which attack staggered, but those are pretty much the only times that Ether Prism isn't going to be enough to get me through a spike, and it will pretty much always let me get Glyph of Restoration + Aura of Restoration off, which is a quick 160+ heal. Plus I might even be able to sneak a Lightning Javelin in there too, which fucks up the sin's attack sequence as well.

The problem with sins isn't how strong they are. They aren't. The problem is that playing a sin, especially the current variety, generally consists of pressing 12345(6) in sequence, 7 if something goes wrong, and 8 if you need to res someone, so a complete moron can play a PS sin about 90% as effectively as the top players. The skill gap that exists between a bad warrior, a good one, and an amazing one, does not exist for sins.That's a big part of the problem. The other part (the part I hate even more) is that sins are the primary perpetrators of damage creep. Oh sure, dervs were pretty bad for it as well and everyone's dealing more damage because of all the new skills, but the sin packs an unreasonably strong punch all the same. Guild Wars, back when it was just prophesies, was a lot more like sumo wrestling than the shivfest it's become now: you slam into the other team, feel them out, then toss them to the side when they screw up before you do. Today, though, it's too high-damage for that, and there are too many ways to get screwed. It used to be that a good team stood a good chance of getting to 10 wins, maybe 20, and I even hit 40 once. Nowadays, getting to 5 wins is lucky, and getting to 10 depends a lot more on luck than skill. Oh, luck always came into play, but it was "please let us not face a team with an awesome Ranger interrupter and an air ele, because anything else we can weather," instead of "please let them not have one of about 180 skills which can't fail to shut down my perfectly good build completely."

[/grognard rant]

[Zerg]

If he took Assassin's Remedy, I'm screwed.Pretty much

If they have a monk (and IMX they usually do, even though I rarely do), I'm screwed.Making him miss one attack kills his chain. You don't need it to stick, just need to time it.

If he's packing Temple Strike, I'm screwed.Ever thought of blinding the sin... i dunno... BEFORE he hits you? Also, if he's packing temple strike, he's not packing palm strike, which automatically makes him bad. (Since anet is baed at balance, and PS is unquestionably the best option, anyone who isn't using it is bad :V)

If he's packing any of a number of skills that knockdown/interrupt on the lead attack, I'm screwed.See above.

If he took Shock, I'm screwed.See above. Unless he actually manages to shock your bsurge, in which case you deserve to lose because he's a much better player. (Also, nobody runs shock anymore)

If he attacks someone else first, I'm screwed....what?

If I'm low on energy, I'm screwed.Might as well say "if my keyboard isn't working, I'm screwed." This applies to everything.

If they have a mesmer that's tossed pretty much any mesmer hex on me, or is packing interrupts, I'm screwed.It's damn hard to reflex bsurge with any consistency and if the mesmer predicts when you're gonna blind the spiking sin, again, he's a much better player and you deserve to lose.

Ether Prism is cheap, impossible to disrupt, and pretty much foolproof.Pretty much. Except it doesn't protect other people. I'm not knocking prism, it's a good elite, I'm only saying that it's not the only way to stop sins and not even the best one.

[BlaineTog]

Making him miss one attack kills his chain. You don't need it to stick, just need to time it.The attack chain usually includes knockdown, so I need to bsurge him before he starts attacking me, which isn't always possible.

Ever thought of blinding the sin... i dunno... BEFORE he hits you? Also, if he's packing temple strike, he's not packing palm strike, which automatically makes him bad. (Since anet is baed at balance, and PS is unquestionably the best option, anyone who isn't using it is bad :V)Not always possible, and the blind can go away.

See above. Unless he actually manages to [i]shock your bsurge, in which case you deserve to lose because he's a much better player. (Also, nobody runs shock anymore)I've seen it used. And it's actually really easy: shadowstep in, immediately use shock. I'd have to read his shadowstep before he does it.

...what?He attacks someone else, I worry about bsurging whoever's attacking me, then she shadowsteps in and kills me. Granted, bsurge has a lower recharge, but I also don't need Ether Prism against most opponents either.

Might as well say "if my keyboard isn't working, I'm screwed." This applies to everything.Yes, but a ten-cost spell is harder to count on than a five-coster, even for an ele. Waiting for that fifth energy point isn't as horrible a wait as for the tenth, plus EP ends by giving you energy to work with.

It's damn hard to reflex bsurge with any consistency and if the mesmer predicts when you're gonna blind the spiking sin, again, he's a much better player and you deserve to lose.It's a 3/4 cast time. A halfway decent interrupt mesmer can nail that, and the only way to avoid it is to be not in casting range, which is really really hard to control when a sin is about to spike you. And if the mesmer hits you with Guilt, you're SOL with little recoure I suppose you could blast Aura of Restoration to plow through it and then bsurge, but now you're counting on having 30+ energy to play with, plus it takes about a second longer, plus you've given the enemy mesmer 14 energy.

Pretty much. Except it doesn't protect other people. I'm not knocking prism, it's a good elite, I'm only saying that it's not the only way to stop sins and not even the best one.It's the one I've found that has the fewest weak points, and RA is all about those weak points, about reliability. And making the sin blow his wad does help protect the party, in a general sense, as well as killing the sin (you are an air ele, and he's got nothing but 60, maybe 70, armor to say to you). Bsurg isn't a bad elite at all, but against a sin, well, you've got to have a lot more luck on your side to get it through and keep it on him than you need for EP.

[Zerg]

The attack chain usually includes knockdown, so I need to bsurge him before he starts attacking me, which isn't always possible.

Not always possible, and the blind can go away.It's possible as long as you're not sleeping.

I've seen it used. And it's actually really easy: shadowstep in, immediately use shock. I'd have to read his shadowstep before he does it.Used to be really easy. Now shadowsteps (except shadow walk) have an aftercast. And my point about nobody using shock still stands.

He attacks someone else, I worry about bsurging whoever's attacking me, then she shadowsteps in and kills me. Granted, bsurge has a lower recharge, but I also don't need Ether Prism against most opponents either.Um, ok, and how is ether prism better in that scenario? You can't do anything to help your teammates. With bsurge you have a choice of helping yourself or helping whoever is being attacked.

Yes, but a ten-cost spell is harder to count on than a five-coster, even for an ele. Waiting for that fifth energy point isn't as horrible a wait as for the tenth, plus EP ends by giving you energy to work with.If you often end up playing off zero energy, you have problems with your bar.

It's a 3/4 cast time. A halfway decent interrupt mesmer can nail that, and the only way to avoid it is to be not in casting range, which is really really hard to control when a sin is about to spike you. And if the mesmer hits you with Guilt, you're SOL with little recoure I suppose you could blast Aura of Restoration to plow through it and then bsurge, but now you're counting on having 30+ energy to play with, plus it takes about a second longer, plus you've given the enemy mesmer 14 energy. You seem to have a warped perception of what's "half-decent". If you can hit 3/4s with consistency, you're not a "half-decent" mesmer, you're a fucking amazing mesmer or have jesus ping. Yet according to you, bsurging a sin before he attacks is "not always possible", but nailing 3/4 casts, which is 500x harder to do is only "half-decent". Maybe try playing a mesmer?

Also, aura doesn't trigger guilt.

It's the one I've found that has the fewest weak points, and RA is all about those weak points, about reliability. And making the sin blow his wad does help protect the party, in a general sense, as well as killing the sin (you are an air ele, and he's got nothing but 60, maybe 70, armor to say to you). Bsurg isn't a bad elite at all, but against a sin, well, you've got to have a lot more luck on your side to get it through and keep it on him than you need for EP.1. RA is about rolling dice and finding a team with a monk and no retards.

2. Sins have 70 base armor.

3. You don't need luck to use bsurge, you just need a bit more involvement than prism (which is zero) and then you can actually have utility instead of being a pewpew orb cannon.

[mrs_bun]

O_O

[notallama]

if you did need a special skill against sins, wouldn't it be more effective to use a good elite and just shield bash the fucker?

[Zerg]

if you did need a special skill against sins, wouldn't it be more effective to use a good elite and just shield bash the fucker?Prism is a good elite... just not for an air ele. It's good for e/rt healers in IWAY :V

[notallama]

i don't actually remember what it does. :V
i just remember it being medeocre.

also, iway still exists? (or exists again?)

[Zerg]

i don't actually remember what it does. :V
i just remember it being medeocre.It got changed... and it was never mediocre. It used to be complete shit, now it's a good niche skill.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ether_Prism

(or exists again?)Yes. And it's still bad. When I played HA for double fame a few weeks ago, I spammed "IWAY 3 years later: still bad" after rolling every IWAY team :V

[notallama]

i see.

also: oh no, rtw! :(
(also flail, but i usually took some sort of utility skill instead. mend or rend or something.)

[BlaineTog]

It's possible as long as you're not sleeping.

Used to be really easy. Now shadowsteps (except shadow walk) have an aftercast. And my point about nobody using shock still stands.I've seen it relatively recently, so it's not "no one."

Um, ok, and how is ether prism better in that scenario? You can't do anything to help your teammates. With bsurge you have a choice of helping yourself or helping whoever is being attacked.I actually take Lightning Javelin, which fucks up their attack chain pretty well too. Plus orb sometimes makes them freak out and run away.

If you often end up playing off zero energy, you have problems with your bar.I don't, but it can happen, particularly after a res.

You seem to have a warped perception of what's "half-decent". If you can hit 3/4s with consistency, you're not a "half-decent" mesmer, you're a fucking amazing mesmer or have jesus ping. Yet according to you, bsurging a sin before he attacks is "not always possible", but nailing 3/4 casts, which is 500x harder to do is only "half-decent". Maybe try playing a mesmer?Please, I've played mesmers, and while I have difficulty hitting 3/4s, I'd say about half the interrupt mesmers I face can nail them nearly every time. It's a 1/4 sec cast time, that gives you half a second to use it, which is plenty if you've bothered to get good at it.

Also, aura doesn't trigger guilt.Right, forgot about that. So you're screwed even worse then.

1. RA is about rolling dice and finding a team with a monk and no retards.Not really. It's about finding a good team, and then getting lucky enough to not run into a team, good or bad, with one of a hundred skills which shut you down.

2. Sins have 70 base armor.I always forgot that. They crumple easily anyway.

3. You don't need luck to use bsurge, you just need a bit more involvement than prism (which is zero) and then you can actually have utility instead of being a pewpew orb cannon.I'm a fan of zero involvement. It means there are fewer ways to get fucked.

[Zerg]

I've seen it relatively recently, so it's not "no one."My bad, 2 out of 100 sins use shock. That clearly makes my argument invalid and I'm going to uninstall the game now for being such an idiot.

Please, I've played mesmers, and while I have difficulty hitting 3/4s, I'd say about half the interrupt mesmers I face can nail them nearly every time. It's a 1/4 sec cast time, that gives you half a second to use it, which is plenty if you've bothered to get good at it.These statistics must have been gathered from hundreds of hours fighting mesmers.

Oh wait, they haven't, because you don't even know what Guilt does.

(You've never seen a 40/40 set either, have you?)

I'm a fan of zero involvement. It means there are fewer ways to get fucked.I've heard of this new groundbreaking build. It's called a PS sin. It must be right up your alley: you can watch TV, play with your foot (might need to rearrange some keybinds), and still kill stuff, because it's pretty much impossible to screw up.


EDIT:
Not really. It's about finding a good team, and then getting lucky enough to not run into a team, good or bad, with one of a hundred skills which shut you down.I like how you rephrase what I said and put a "not really" in front of it to make it look more like a rebuttal. I should try that sometime.