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WoodenMarble Mafia
WoodenMarble.
A time and place some would not understand.
Forged from the hearts and minds that had been twisted and shattered by The Source, WoodenMarble became a nirvana. It was free from the eternal flames of Mt. Ripper and the Phoenix. No longer would they suffer in the cruel, stoic wasteland of Se'Ir-es, nor subject themselves to the nightmares that existed within The Confessional. For once, they found a peace in their madness.
Until their gods kinda fucked it up for everyone.
The plane of WoodenMarble faded out of existence, as if fated to do so on that ominous day. The lords of that world had failed its people, leaving them lost and confused.
These refugees knew of only place they could go. They would return home...and claim The Source as their own.
PLAYERS
1. Shady
3. SizzlingStapleCider
6. Shadow
9. Spam Elemental
14. GelbSol
20. Яков Похис
REPLACEMENTS
1. Skydin
The Dead
1. K-Scope - +t, Town Aligned Epic Troll
2. LegendShark - ?
3. Keeper - Yurgy, Town Aligned Occasional Poster
4. Fluke - Spam Elemental, Town-Aligned Canadian
5. Jeremy Banks - ShadyPhoenix, Town-Aligned Fatman Sombrero
6. Guile - Rikku, Mafia-Aligned Sanity Destroyer
7. Naga - ?
8. Kant - Naga, Mafia Aligned Spy
9. mrs_bun - mrs_bun, Mafia Aligned WoodenMarble Founder
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
02-28-2009, 01:55 AM
Actually, towards the end of its lifecycle I joined to pretty much use the place as a training ground for avant garde trolling.
Also, in.
mrs_bun
02-28-2009, 02:41 AM
True, lmao.
In.
PariahKing
02-28-2009, 06:13 AM
Source for CV Ninja (http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1155737)
SizzlingStapleCider
02-28-2009, 12:08 PM
In.
Man, in my younger days I could troll those guys.
What the fuck
in
Shadow
02-28-2009, 01:52 PM
How did I miss this thread?
/in
LegendShark
02-28-2009, 02:27 PM
In.
KaleiŠoscųpe
02-28-2009, 03:51 PM
in
How do you expect to get 20 players?
Spam Elemental
02-28-2009, 04:30 PM
In.
How do you expect to get 20 players?
I have 20 ideas available. No idea how many actual players I'll get, so once everyone has passed over I'll adjust the game to the right size.
Fluke Hawkins
02-28-2009, 04:56 PM
In.
Edit: General in.
In as long as I'm playing Skydin or my brother.
I have 20 ideas available. No idea how many actual players I'll get, so once everyone has passed over I'll adjust the game to the right size.
Ah, okay. That's cool.
Regret
02-28-2009, 05:38 PM
You seem to paint a sympathetic picture of what was really a depressing mockery of a forum, a trolling ground for Shady +t and I, at its best. It was not a story of noble people abandoned by their m/gods but rather a jeering crowd of humorless and self-important people spurred on by their leaders to destroying themselves from within until they became so weak that they could not withstand the slings of a few outsiders...
that said, In
They were like Rome, and we the Vandals?
Regret
02-28-2009, 05:48 PM
They were like Rome, and we the Vandals?
That occurred to me as I was writing it, a similar case, except there were about 3 of us who sacked woodenmarble.
That occurred to me as I was writing it, a similar case, except there were about 3 of us who sacked woodenmarble.
And none of them got laid.
I don't actually know anything about WM or what happened there. This is pretty much just everything that I gleaned from discussions about it.
Purple_Shrimp
02-28-2009, 08:55 PM
I'll play.
GelbSol
02-28-2009, 10:59 PM
Id like to pop my mafia cherry. In
Keeper
03-01-2009, 01:26 AM
ooh in
jimbyob
03-01-2009, 01:34 AM
/in or replace i guess
mrs_bun
03-01-2009, 07:35 AM
Lmao, Cara.
Cee Pee
03-01-2009, 07:56 AM
In, because while my life will probably require more time than I ultimately had during the last mafia, I think I'll still have enough time to play. Also, I know next to nothing about WM other that the basic facts.
Also, yey 500th post.
LegendShark
03-01-2009, 12:06 PM
Either this will be hilarious from an outsiders perspective or stupid and horribly wrong.
Sven_v2.0_LITE
03-01-2009, 12:08 PM
/in, this time I won't be bound by other unexpected obligations and be unable to post.
Dullahan
03-01-2009, 01:08 PM
in
I count 19 players so far. Whoa.
jok3r
03-02-2009, 01:47 AM
I, the true tzar of the Rus empire, husband of the fiend Catherine, do hereby add mine name to the list.
/в
jok3r
03-03-2009, 07:48 AM
If we don't start until like next week, I'd appreciate it. I work late every night until saturday.
If we don't start until like next week, I'd appreciate it. I work late every night until saturday.
Actually works for me as well. I'll be in Boston for a few days and won't have much internet access. Gives me time to polish up the roles as well.
Skydin
03-03-2009, 06:33 PM
in.
THE ROLES ARE BEING SENT OUT
I haven't got mine yet.
Edit: I am the owner of a medium sized business.
LegendShark
03-09-2009, 08:45 PM
I haven't got mine yet.
Same...
I have 20 of these fucking things to give out. Chill a fucking minute.
EDIT: FUCKING
LegendShark
03-09-2009, 08:53 PM
EDIT: FUCKING
Where?
Also, mafiates: once all the roles are sent out, I'll give a list of your fellow members. So hold tight.
'Something's not right...'
The Sourcians have noticed something strange...their numbers have gotten a little large in the past few weeks. Their numerous hungry maws have stripped the land bare. The Spam fields have been flooded and overharvested, leaving not one delicious morsel on the branch. Something must be done.
A meeting was called for all the good people of the Source to gather together and address the issue. The solution was obvious: mass blind genocide.
So it is said, and so it shall be.
IT IS NOW DAY 1
With 20 players, it is 11 to Lynch
LegendShark
03-09-2009, 09:16 PM
Official Vote: Skydin
Because no matter how much arguing there is, Day 1 is always a random vote.
Keeper
03-09-2009, 09:17 PM
Vote: Яков Похис
Because I don't wanna have to copy and paste your name every time I'm referring to you. Also I don't really remember how to play mafia. :V
LegendShark
03-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Just call him Jok3r. Cause that's his original name.
The day will end Friday, March 13th at 8:00pm.
Official Vote Count
Яков Похис: 1 (Keeper)
Skydin is a replacement, LS :V
SizzlingStapleCider
03-09-2009, 11:25 PM
Vote: Яков Похис
For the same reason. :V
Spam Elemental
03-09-2009, 11:25 PM
Official Vote: Skydin
Because no matter how much arguing there is, Day 1 is always a random vote.Vote: LegendShark
Because you voted for someone who is not even in the game.
vote:Spam elemental
He's thinking outside of the box, what's wrong with that?
mrs_bun
03-09-2009, 11:32 PM
*glee*
This is totally awesome. ^_^
I think Dullahan is bad because his avatar looks troublemakey. :stare:
Gonna agree with spelemental tho.
vote: LegendShark
One other friendly reminder: If you do not post or confirm you got your role pm by Friday, you will be replaced.
I've particularly got my eye on Dullahan and Sven.
jok3r
03-09-2009, 11:48 PM
So just refer to me as jok3r for this. It'll be much easier.
Keeper because I don't like his logic.
jimbyob
03-09-2009, 11:51 PM
Day Rape: mrs_banned
Vote: Mrs_banned for bandwagoning.
mrs_bun
03-09-2009, 11:53 PM
Excuse me?
Purple_Shrimp
03-09-2009, 11:55 PM
Day Rape: mrs_banned
Vote: Mrs_banned for bandwagoning.
huh?
mrs_bun
03-09-2009, 11:56 PM
No reverse bandwagoning, Shrimp. :P
Am confused about rape, tho.
Purple_Shrimp
03-09-2009, 11:58 PM
Am confused about rape, tho.
Maybe it's his special ability.
mrs_bun
03-10-2009, 12:00 AM
I'm trying to think of a role that involves raping me.
jimbyob
03-10-2009, 12:04 AM
Do I even need a role to do that?
mrs_bun
03-10-2009, 12:07 AM
:stare:
ALSO
Are you raping me, are you raping the person with me as a role, or raping the person I got for a role? o_O
Roleclaim: Entwine
jimbyob
03-10-2009, 12:10 AM
No
mrs_bun
03-10-2009, 12:14 AM
No is not an answer to my multiple choice question! Well it is, but it is a bad answer.
Purple_Shrimp
03-10-2009, 12:27 AM
No is not an answer to my multiple choice question! Well it is, but it is a bad answer.
It seems like a pretty reasonable answer to me.
mrs_bun
03-10-2009, 12:34 AM
It isn't true tho! At least not based on previous posts. :stare:
I lvoe this mafia. XP
Shadow
03-10-2009, 12:39 AM
posting in this thread.
hay guys.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-10-2009, 12:53 AM
what's going on in this thread guys
jimbyob
03-10-2009, 12:53 AM
ITT: bun gets raped and is confused.
ITT: bun gets raped and is confused.
A typical day, eh?
Confirming.
Noted.
...You know you're a replacement, right? :V
Cee Pee
03-10-2009, 11:04 AM
Confirmation.
Also, Random Vote: K-Scope for the time being. :V
I have not much to say on the day rape. I guess it's only natural in a thread involving bun. :/
Fluke Hawkins
03-10-2009, 02:20 PM
Vote: Spam elemental
Good a reason as any for a random lynch.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-10-2009, 02:26 PM
Vote: LegendShark because we're all voting for someone different and I rolled a 7.
LegendShark
03-10-2009, 02:28 PM
Vote: LegendShark
Because you voted for someone who is not even in the game.
Sorry dude. I just tooka cursory look at the OP and saw a name of someone I didn't want playing in my game.
Unvote: Skydin
Do I have to unvote a person who isn't in the game?
Vote: Bun for banned-wagoning and then saying voting for me is fun. :(
Official Vote Count
LegendShark: 3 (Spam Elemental, mrs_bun, Shady)
jok3r: 2 (Keeper, SSC)
Spam Elemental: 2 (Kant, Fluke Hawkins)
mrs_bun: 2 (jimbyob, LegendShark)
K-Scope: 1 (CP)
Not Voting: Naga, Shadow, KaleiŠoscųpe, Cara, Regret, Purple Shrimp, GelbSol, Keeper, Sven, Dullahan, jok3r (You forgot the "Vote:" part :V)
jok3r
03-10-2009, 03:13 PM
Vote: Legendshark. Bandwagon vote.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-10-2009, 03:30 PM
Unvote: jok3r
Vote: LegendShark
Bandwagoning first round ftw!
Noted.
...You know you're a replacement, right? :VConfirming.
LegendShark
03-10-2009, 04:32 PM
:(
LegendShark
03-10-2009, 04:32 PM
Damnit, if I'm a first dayer here I'm gonna be pissed. I was excited for some Mafiaing. I don't think I've played a game in about a year.
Cee Pee
03-10-2009, 04:37 PM
I guess we need ten people to vote for someone before they get lynched. You're at five right now.
Anyway, maybe people should confirm that they're not lurking before we lynch people.
Regret
03-10-2009, 04:55 PM
I guess we won't have any information till after the first night.
Vote: Legendshark
Shadow
03-10-2009, 05:02 PM
Anyway, maybe people should confirm that they're not lurking before we lynch people.
I'm waiting until everybody pops up in this thread before voting.
jimbyob
03-10-2009, 06:21 PM
I'm waiting until everybody pops up in this thread before voting.
This.
No use lynching anyone before we have any information about anything.
Regret
03-10-2009, 07:39 PM
This.
No use lynching anyone before we have any information about anything.
Out of curiosity, where would we be getting that information from?
Shadow
03-10-2009, 07:53 PM
Out of curiosity, where would we be getting that information from?
The great beyond, I believe.
Day Rape: mrs_banned
Vote: Mrs_banned for bandwagoning.
Vote: jimbyob for "raping" and not explaining what that means in game. I figure that whatever it is, rape can't be good.
jimbyob
03-10-2009, 08:25 PM
Its not an real ability, nothing to explain...
Because he hasn't even been on the site since March 1st, Sven will be replaced by Jeremy Banks.
I know he's not first on the replacement list, but he confirmed before anyone else. :V
Official Vote Count
LegendShark: 5 (Spam Elemental, mrs_bun, Shady, jok3r, Regret)
jok3r: 2 (Keeper, SSC)
Spam Elemental: 2 (Kant, Fluke Hawkins)
mrs_bun: 2 (jimbyob, LegendShark)
K-Scope: 1 (CP)
jimbyob: 1 (Naga)
Not Voting: Shadow, KaleiŠoscųpe, Cara, Purple Shrimp, GelbSol, Keeper, JB, Dullahan
Fluke Hawkins
03-10-2009, 10:08 PM
Unvote: Spam Elemental
Vote: Legend Shark
Might as well bandwagon the right person :V
jimbyob
03-10-2009, 10:28 PM
If legendshark is Mafia I will laugh.
Keeper
03-10-2009, 10:30 PM
I'm all for lynching LegendShark, but we should wait until everyone has either confirmed or been replaced. I'm pretty sure we still haven't heard from a few people.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-10-2009, 10:42 PM
If LegendShark is mafia, Ba'ath Country is next to go! :V
Because he hasn't even been on the site since March 1st, Sven will be replaced by Jeremy Banks.
I know he's not first on the replacement list, but he confirmed before anyone else. :VConfirmed.
I really don't understand why no one else is bringing up the rape incident.
Keeper
03-10-2009, 11:24 PM
I really don't understand why no one else is bringing up the rape incident.
Its not an real ability, nothing to explain...
But yeah, that was weird. Change Vote to: jimbyob
jimbyob
03-10-2009, 11:43 PM
Oh lol ok, random voting stage obviously isn't the time for jokes...
I really don't understand why no one else is bringing up the rape incident.
Is Naga's role a SVU?
It has nothing to do with a role, I'm just confused.
Sir, you are obviously Bun, SVU aligned fanatic. Your job is to check for rapes.
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 03:56 AM
Hay lmao! That is not Naga's role. :stare:
Keeper
03-11-2009, 08:05 AM
Hay lmao! That is not Naga's role. :stare:
And how do you know that? :huh:
FoS: Bun
(what does that stand for again?)
And how do you know that? :huh:
FoS: Bun
(what does that stand for again?)
Finger Of Shame.
:rip:
Keeper
03-11-2009, 08:19 AM
Oh I thought it was suspicion.
But yeah lol I fingered bun.
Sven_v2.0_LITE
03-11-2009, 11:21 AM
FUCK.
I chose the exact perfect time to lose internet access, didn't I? :V
SizzlingStapleCider
03-11-2009, 04:53 PM
Vote Sven? lol
Cee Pee
03-11-2009, 05:08 PM
You can't vote on people not in the game. :V
I guess bun meant it's not Naga's role because she (or a role derived from herself) wouldn't check for rapes? I'm trying to go with her logic. <_<
But yeah, this may be a hint. I don't know what it's supposed to mean, if it doesn't just mean people are being retarded. >_>
Also, what does SVU mean?
It was a joke, referencing Law and Order: SVU.
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 06:24 PM
It thought it was a good joke. :)
I just meant that would not be my job. :stare: Athough it jsut occurred to me that obv I would be a character in a woodenmarble game. XP
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 06:24 PM
My vote stays the same tho.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-11-2009, 06:26 PM
It was definitely only a joke.
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 06:33 PM
Voting for Sven? OR what?
He meant Cara's comment, I think. I don't think she meant anything by it.
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 06:41 PM
Oh no I know that, I wasn't l;ike Offended or anything.
Also stop posting not suspicious things yall, we need to get a lunchin. :P
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 06:41 PM
A-lynching. :stare:
LegendShark
03-11-2009, 07:19 PM
Oh no I know that, I wasn't l;ike Offended or anything.
Also stop posting not suspicious things yall, we need to get a lunchin. :P
Mmm... we should get some lunch. That would be way cooler than hanging niggers.
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 07:21 PM
Nicve try, I'm not changing my vote, mister. :P
jimbyob
03-11-2009, 07:21 PM
A-lynching. :stare:
What's your rush?
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 07:23 PM
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080624/Rush-band_l.jpg
jimbyob
03-11-2009, 07:24 PM
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080624/Rush-band_l.jpg
Dodging the question now!? :V
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 07:24 PM
ALSO,
My Rush is day 1 is totally always random so let's get on with it an get to the juicy suspense. ^_^
jimbyob
03-11-2009, 07:28 PM
How many votes does LegendShark have now.
mrs_bun
03-11-2009, 07:31 PM
Still five I think.
Purple_Shrimp
03-12-2009, 05:10 AM
nope, 6.
vote: LegendShark
jimbyob
03-12-2009, 07:02 AM
If it increases activity I will vote legendshark
Official Vote Count
LegendShark: 8 (Spam Elemental, mrs_bun, Shady, jok3r, Regret, Fluke Hawkins, Keeper, Purple Shrimp)
mrs_bun: 2 (jimbyob, LegendShark)
jok3r: 1 (SSC)
Spam Elemental: 1 (Kant)
K-Scope: 1 (CP)
jimbyob: 1 (Naga)
Not Voting: Shadow, KaleiŠoscųpe, Cara, GelbSol, JB, Dullahan
Remember, it is 11 to lynch, and the Deadline is Friday
Shadow
03-12-2009, 09:57 AM
I hate to bandwagon but if it'll get us to night Vote: LegendShark.
Here we go then
unvote:Spam Elemental
Vote:Legendshark
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-12-2009, 12:42 PM
One more vote.
LegendShark, do the honorable thing.
Dullahan will be replaced by Guile.
Official Vote Count
LegendShark: 10 (Spam Elemental, mrs_bun, Shady, jok3r, Regret, Fluke Hawkins, Keeper, Purple Shrimp, Kant, Shadow)
mrs_bun: 2 (jimbyob, LegendShark)
jok3r: 1 (SSC)
K-Scope: 1 (CP)
jimbyob: 1 (Naga)
Not Voting: KaleiŠoscųpe, Cara, GelbSol, JB, Guile
mrs_bun
03-12-2009, 03:45 PM
I hope LegendShark isn't on my team. :(
I'd rather ban wagon against Spam Elemental, that way he can ruin the forum when he loses.
Oh, wait.
LegendShark
03-12-2009, 06:27 PM
One more vote.
LegendShark, do the honorable thing.
NEVER!
Why don't we lynch a lurker. Like Scope. Scope hasn't been here since the whole thing started. We should lynch him.
Unvote: Bun
Vote: KaleiŠoscųpe
jok3r
03-12-2009, 06:55 PM
NEVER!
Why don't we lynch a lurker. Like Scope. Scope hasn't been here since the whole thing started. We should lynch him.
Unvote: Bun
Vote: KaleiŠoscųpe
I can support this. Not jumping on that wagon yet, but I'll think about it.
mrs_bun
03-12-2009, 09:22 PM
Unvote: LegendShark
Vote: KaleiŠoscųpe
mrs_bun
03-12-2009, 09:22 PM
Yeah, we totally should do this.
Who on my list hasn't posted yet?
I'm going to need more replacements :V
jok3r
03-12-2009, 09:24 PM
Unvote: LegendShark
Vote: KaleiŠoscųpe
Keeper
03-12-2009, 09:28 PM
It could just be that the three of you are mafia and this is just a ploy to save LS, but it's actually not a bad idea.
Unvote; Vote: K-Scope
GoldenSun and K-Scope have yet to confirm, and I've already been doing replacements.
Turns out K-Scope hasn't even been on TS since February. What the hell?
GS was here on the ninth, so I'm keeping him in. I guess Skydin will be replacing K-Scope.
I need more backups...
Keeper
03-12-2009, 09:33 PM
blerg just let us vote him off the island
Keeper
03-12-2009, 09:34 PM
Unvote: SkydinScope
I guess we just lynch LS. Sorry, bro.
LegendShark
03-12-2009, 09:34 PM
<snip>
Whose side are you on?
blerg just let us vote him off the island
I understand why you want to vote him off, but I had some fun in designing the roles and want to see them get used :V
Bah, whatever.
Whose side are you on?
I'm on my side.
I want to game to have as many active participants as possible. I'm not trying to get you lynched or anything.
mrs_bun
03-12-2009, 09:42 PM
My new vote stands. Drama! :V
Fuck it.
While the mob were discussing who should be the lynch for tonight, LegendShark became very nervous as he was getting closer to the chopping block. "Well, waitaminute guys! W-What about K-Scope? He hasn't said anything!"
The mob's anger was suddenly redirected at K-Scope, who sat on the ground clutching a bottle of liquor with the label peeled off. The mob gathered to question him, until they noticed his unblinking stare. K-Scope had long ago succumbed to alcohol poisoning. Reaching into his pocket, the crowd found his university ID, which identified him as +t, Town Aligned Epic Troll.
lol mod kill
It is now Night 1. PM me your targets, before the Deadline, Sunday at 10:00PM EST
So wait.
You replace someone and then modkill the replacement before they did anything.
Keeper
03-12-2009, 09:51 PM
He killed K-Scope instead of replacing him you idiot.
Also don't post it's night.
So wait.
You replace someone and then modkill the replacement before they did anything.
I never actually sent the replacement.
Plus Skydin is also inactive as fuck. I'm sure he'll be useful later. I never actually informed him of the replacement or sent to the role PM, just in case I changed my mind.
LegendShark
03-12-2009, 09:56 PM
I never actually sent the replacement.
Plus Skydin is also inactive as fuck. I'm sure he'll be useful later. I never actually informed him of the replacement or sent to the role PM, just in case I changed my mind.
Skydin = Chick
Also lol.
Skydin = Chick
Also lol.
Wat?
that actually explains a bit :V
SizzlingStapleCider
03-12-2009, 10:19 PM
Maybe someone should lock the thread so that this post and others could be prevented.
Maybe someone should lock the thread so that this post and others could be prevented.
Or you could just not post.
Next person to post before night ends is modkilled
mrs_bun
03-12-2009, 10:20 PM
I'm out.
You are not supposed to post, bun.
And I am because you said the "next" person to post. I am not the next. :)
Do you want me to be in charge of locking and unlocking this?
Do you want me to be in charge of locking and unlocking this?
Please do. This is getting retarded.
Send me a PM when you want it opened.
I'm opening this because if you need it opened between now and tuesday your fucked.
As the sun begins to rise on a new day on the plane of The Source, the inhabitants began to stir quietly in their beds.
At around noon, they actually got up and brushed their teeth and shit.
Eventually, the people of the Source filed out their homes and began looking for the body they knew would appear. LegendShark was found in a trashcan behind his house. His skin was hanging limply from his bone, the meaty muscles all but beaten to a pulp by an unknown horror. The mob ransacks his home to look for clues to his identity, but are startled to find his house completely bare and impeccably clean. Thus, his true identity is lost forever.
The town shuffles back to the gallows, unsure what to make of this stange occurrence. As they come to the ominous scaffolding, they are startled by the impaled head of Brodysseus/Kepper, seeming to stare down the masses with a permanent scream. Written in blood beneath the staked skull, Keeper had written his name: Yurgy, Town Aligned Occasional Poster.
It is now Day 2. With 17 people alive, it is 9 to lynch. The day will end on this Friday.
So we lost two people, LegendShark and Keeper. That means most likely a serial killer and mafia, but what is most intriguing is that he don't know who LegendShark is. Why would that happen?
GelbSol
03-16-2009, 10:52 AM
Holy crap thats alot of people for one day of mafia, is that normal?
Cee Pee
03-16-2009, 11:29 AM
Holy crap thats alot of people for one day of mafia, is that normal?
"Normal" mafia would mean only a town and mafia. That way, there'd only be one death per night. But it's now kind of safe to assume there are more roles, and it's kind of obvious because Van stated he had a lot of ideas.
So we lost two people, LegendShark and Keeper. That means most likely a serial killer and mafia, but what is most intriguing is that he don't know who LegendShark is. Why would that happen?
SK is a likely possibility, unless we have a vigilante. Either way, their role might be one which hides someone's true identity after killing them. Are there any Woodenmarble people which would have such kind of effect? Of course, normal forum posting doesn't always translate to mafia roles, but it might a some kind of troll we have here, whose role even makes sure that there's not even a trace left of them.
Thinking about this further, we don't know what alignment LS has, but that doesn't necessarily be a role of whomever attacked him (be it SK or vig). It may be that LegendShark has a role which doesn't make his identity known at death. LS may or may not be mafia, but it kind of sounds like a scummy role, and if so that would be good. :V
Anyhow, what's with the small scopewagon yesterday? LS almost got lynched, and he then decides to instead lynch a lurker. Joker supports but doesn't vote yet, wants to think about it first, but votes later on. bun thinks it's a good idea, and reinstates this for the drama later on. Keeper votes and then unvotes, knowing it might be a ploy by the mafia. K-Scope gets replaced during all this. This is, however, changed to a modkill which apparently ends the day (didn't know that). While I don't know whether or not any of the above people were involved, at least we know Keeper is townie. His opinion might still be valid. What if LS was, as an inexperienced mafia player, anxious about his oncoming lynch and tried to distract the town by voting a lurker instead. If he was mafia, then he of course knew K-Scope was townie, so it was an obvious choice. The other mafiates were reluctant to vote, because it would put them in the spotlights.
Of course, all of this is conjecture, all we know is that there's an SK or a vig. Or maybe there are both and no mafia, and this game is even more bastard as PK's last mafia was. :V Based on the first post ("angry gods"), I don't really think so, though.
GelbSol
03-16-2009, 11:35 AM
What is the difference between Vig and SK?
Edit: Sorry for my questions, I just want to make sure I understand cause this is my first mafia.
Cee Pee
03-16-2009, 11:40 AM
What is the difference between Vig and SK?
Vig = vigilante = town aligned. Pretty powerful role if they've roleclaimed, as they're basically a second lynch for the town during night. Therefore, they would also need protection from the doctor (if there is one :V) if they did.
SK = Serial Killer = self aligned. Attempts to kill both town and mafia in order to win the game when he's the only one left.
GelbSol
03-16-2009, 11:44 AM
So youre saying that with 20 people playing theres bound to be one. Scary.
Cee Pee
03-16-2009, 11:45 AM
Note that (suppose you are a vig) it might not be a good idea to roleclaim right now, because the mafia would prolly kill you next night if you do. (I don't when it's a good idea, though :V).
Also, editing is usually not a good idea. Don't know whether Van enforces modkill on that and when, but if you have something to add, just doublepost.
Cee Pee
03-16-2009, 11:47 AM
So youre saying that with 20 people playing theres bound to be one. Scary.
Well, it's not bound to be, (it's all up to whoever made the mafia game), but because there are two kills, there's bound to be a Vig or SK.
Also, I'm posting too much. >_>
The way that it occurred, with LS getting the onus off of him makes me very suspicious. He was nearing the critical mass to be lynched, and suddenly he says, "I'm innocent, let's lynch Scope instead", and bun, Joker and Keeper jump on it. He didn't do any convincing, he just said "lynch a lurker!", and they did.
bun wasn't anxious to vote, CP, she went right at it. Joker had the "well' maybe" post, and then after bun threw in her vote he did it. It feels like something terrible happened there, and that LS tricked Van into lynching a lurker, instead of him, which means we lost a kill.
The fact that he got killed over the night, if it goes into my theory of him being scum, then that means we do have someone on our side, or at least a neutral party. It's possible that LS' role was to hide his alignment upon death. I think I remember reading about that in PK's mafia handbook, so it wouldn't be that far out there.
[QUOTE=Cee Pee;16750Also, editing is usually not a good idea. Don't know whether Van enforces modkill on that and when, but if you have something to add, just doublepost.[/QUOTE]
Because he is new, no, I will not modkill him for editing this time. However, if he does it again I'm melting his privates :V
GelbSol
03-16-2009, 12:26 PM
Thanks Van, wont happen again.
mrs_bun
03-16-2009, 04:44 PM
I think it is interesting that the person who got mysteriously killed at night was the one who was about to get lynched. Also, I haven't played tons of mafias, but it seems like if you identity was hidden when you died as part of your role, you would be mafia. If the person who killed him was mafia, they might have an ability that did that, though.
I don't think reading too much into day one chatter is smart. I just wanted to get it done because people were slacking, and lynching a lurker seemed more fair/fun. If you don't lynch a lurker, then the game will just get slower instead of faster. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/thefonz37/teachsmileygi9.gif
Shadow
03-16-2009, 05:13 PM
Wait, did we actually vote to lynch LS or did Van just decide that we were killing him?
I'm a tad bit confused.
mrs_bun
03-16-2009, 05:14 PM
Van may have just smooshed him.
Cee Pee
03-16-2009, 05:20 PM
Wait, did we actually vote to lynch LS or did Van just decide that we were killing him?
It's K-Scope that was modkilled. LS was never lynched, he instead got killed by someone this night.
mrs_bun
03-16-2009, 05:30 PM
That's right, but we were all switching to vote for K-scope right before.
And then LS magically got killed anyway.
Which I find highly suspicious.
FoS: person who killed LegendShark last night http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/thefonz37/teachsmileygi9.gif
SizzlingStapleCider
03-16-2009, 06:30 PM
What's FoS?
mrs_bun
03-16-2009, 06:34 PM
:rip:
Finger of suspiciousnessity.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-16-2009, 06:36 PM
Oh, well then I'd have to agree with you.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-16-2009, 06:37 PM
But actually not, since it could have been the SK/vig and that could be their ability.
Shadow
03-16-2009, 06:43 PM
It's K-Scope that was modkilled. LS was never lynched, he instead got killed by someone this night.
Oh, I see how I got confused because a lot of people had votes for LS and thn Van just killed Kscope as the wagon shifted direction.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-16-2009, 06:45 PM
I'm actually suspicious of CP and Naga, since they are trying to demonize LS for "tricking" Van into lynching K-Scope. That's a lie, since LS didn't trick anyone. If you're about to get lynched, it doesn't matter if you're scum or not, you're gonna not want to get lynched. As for "tricking", he never lied or said anything remotely false, just that instead of him dying, K-Scope should be killed for inactivity. What Van did after that was up to him.
As for bun and others joining in the vote, I don't blame them since it is the first day and either way, there's no actual reason to vote for anyone other than bandwagon and inactivity. I almost did it myself, but I cared more about getting the first day done than doing the 'right'est thing.
Also, just want to elaborate, LS' hidden identity could be an ability of the person who killed him, mafia (unlikely) or SK/vig (likelier).
mrs_bun
03-16-2009, 06:46 PM
It doesn't make sense for a nonmafia person to have an ability that hides the person they killed. I mean, if it was a vig, then they'd want the mafia to know someone was after them, and if it was a serial killer, then they wouldn't care at all. It only makes sense for a mafia person to have that ability.
Which makes me think that LegendShark was not mafia, or if he was, he was killed randomly.
Which means that we're down three town. So everyone who voted for either of them is suspicious, although less so since it was day one and no one knew anything. Also Van modkilled a townie, so he's scum! :V
SizzlingStapleCider
03-16-2009, 06:49 PM
Also, at the risk of posting too much, re: LS's almost-lynch, then death:
If it was an SK/vig, maybe they didn't feel bad about going for LS since he was almost lynched/killed anyway. If it was mafia, maybe it was a ploy to confuse us, and if you want to get really paranoid, maybe that's why CP and Naga are trying to demonize him now.
mrs_bun
03-16-2009, 07:00 PM
I'm always suspicious of people who don't post at all. That doesn't mean posting a lot is good, just that not posting is bad.
Even SKs should go after mafia first, since mafia won't ever accidentally kill each other, and especially on day one a townie is likely to die.
Regret
03-16-2009, 08:05 PM
Bun seems a bit on edge but that may just be out of concern for the town.
I almost feel like we have less information after the night. I suppose if we're in danger of losing two a night it might be a good idea to lynch whoever is most suspicious rather than sit and wait but if the faceless dead was a mafia member as the obscure identity might suggest than perhaps we're better off letting things continue instead of going after random people.
mrs_bun
03-16-2009, 08:12 PM
No, I'm not on edge, I'm just trying to fast forward everything. Worst case scenario, I get lynched, which is fine by me. I'm just tired of people signing up and then not playing the game.
For those interested:
I killed K-Scope Day 1 instead of seeing if LS would get lynched because one of my objectives for modding a game is to have as many active people as possible playing. I had already replaced two people who seemed to drop off the face of the earth after signing up the game, and the last replacement is inactive as all hell. K-Scope was not going to post, and the replacement was not going to post either. I would rather kill a player who is pure dead weight Day 1 then have an active participant get randwagoned.
If I had some more replacements, the Day 1 lynch would have gone on without my interference.
mrs_bun
03-16-2009, 08:52 PM
I don't think anyone is complaining, including the person you modkilled. :P
jok3r
03-16-2009, 10:38 PM
For those interested:
I killed K-Scope Day 1 instead of seeing if LS would get lynched because one of my objectives for modding a game is to have as many active people as possible playing. I had already replaced two people who seemed to drop off the face of the earth after signing up the game, and the last replacement is inactive as all hell. K-Scope was not going to post, and the replacement was not going to post either. I would rather kill a player who is pure dead weight Day 1 then have an active participant get randwagoned.
If I had some more replacements, the Day 1 lynch would have gone on without my interference.
to address naga's post, this is why i voted scope. i'd at least like to have a strong start with deadweight cut during the guessing night anyway.
Cee Pee
03-17-2009, 02:00 AM
"Demonized" sounds like a word a little to strong for my train of thought. It seems likely that LS is mafia, because of the suspicious circumstances. The fact that LS almost got lynched, but instead tries to lynch a townie lurker and succeeds in modkilling them is suspicious. I agree that inactive players are slowing the game down, but a modkill should be a last resort if we don't have active replacements. Counting modkilling as our lynch makes me very unhappy. I had zero chance between LS' vote change and K-Scope modkill to respond, or to even make my thoughts known.
The second piece of evidence that LS might be scum is the hiding of his alignment. Yes, this may either be an ability of the killer or the killed, but as you yourself say, it'd likely be a vig/SK role, so all options are open. Or, maybe it's a special ability of the mafia, in that whenever they die, their alignment is hidden, to cause confusion like this.
EITHER WAY, at the moment it doesn't matter much right now whether LS was scum or not. If he isn't, I might look scummy for "demonizing" him, but the same could be said about you "protecting" LS if he was. All we know is that he's dead, and that won't change by discussing all possible explanations.
So, who to lynch? Does it make any sense to lynch a lurker again? Chances are that they're town, and we'll be wasting another lynch. Looking for scummy posts might be a good idea, though day 1 won't be much help.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 03:06 AM
Why would I be "protecting" LS if he's dead? I voted for him. You're still saying things as if LS was the reason K-Scope was mod-killed, even after Van clearly stated that he did it for his reasons. And again, how does LS trying to lynch someone other than himself make him likely scum? If you were being bandwagonned the first round, you're telling me you wouldn't suggest a lurker, since that would be better than you dying? And how does the modkill make you unhappy? K-Scope and LS had the same chances of being scum at that point, and both are dead now anyway. What's so fishy about the modkill? Maybe LS and Van are in cahoots? :V
Motive for demonizing LS? You started suggesting bun and someone else was at fault for voting for K-Scope, instead of him, as well.
If you want to look for scummy posts, I personally find yours the scummiest since you continue to post silliness.
FoS: Cee Pee
Cee Pee
03-17-2009, 11:46 AM
Long post following.
Why would I be "protecting" LS if he's dead?
You're trying to make LS look town when he might not be. I am just letting my thought known, and again and again I state that it's only conjecture, and I use words like "might", yet you insist he's town and I'm scummy because I don't.
I voted for him.
Voting for someone who might be your mafiate buddy does not make you less scummy. In fact, it's a common strategy to join bandwagons because it also makes everyone else scummier. And the fact that it's day 1, everything's possible.
You're still saying things as if LS was the reason K-Scope was mod-killed, even after Van clearly stated that he did it for his reasons.
In my not so humble opinion, LS was indeed the reason K-Scope was modkilled by putting attention on him. There are other inactives LS might have chosen, and Van hasn't been modkilled them. Of course, he's looking for replacements, which is good. But aside from that, I think he reacted to quickly to the situation, which was still developing.
And again, how does LS trying to lynch someone other than himself make him likely scum? If you were being bandwagonned the first round, you're telling me you wouldn't suggest a lurker, since that would be better than you dying? And how does the modkill make you unhappy? K-Scope and LS had the same chances of being scum at that point, and both are dead now anyway.
I don't know. It depends on the circumstances, and I find this a scummy one.
What I would do if I was bandwagoned? I would pray things change before the deadline. The vote count was horribly close to the lynch count, but for some reason, he succeeded to not get lynched. I would have voted for myself if it were to come to only one vote left until lynch. That way, the town would know I was town, and my not-so-awesome role. It has no effect at all to lynch lurkers, because they're likely to be town, due to the way the game is distributed.
Why do I find LS voting K-Scope scummy circumstances? Because LS' alignment wasn't made known when he was killed this night. That might be a role of the killer, but I'm more leaning towards the idea of it being some sort of protection the mafia (as a group) has: if a mafiate dies, it is not made known that he is mafia, nor is his role name publicized. It causes a lot of confusion, unnecessary discussions, and people claiming their conclusions based on the situation at hand makes them scummy.
The modkill makes me unhappy because it was too soon. I had no time to reply. I am also unhappy because it ended the day, which I thought only happens when a lynch is made. There wasn't.
You started suggesting bun and someone else was at fault for voting for K-Scope, instead of him, as well.
I never suggested the people voting K-Scope were "at fault". You may have misunderstood my words (and I think Naga did, as well). I found these people a bit suspicious, but not suspicious enough to be involved. I blame their scummyness because of day 1 posting.
You are the one making silly posts. You're the one beating a dead horse. We don't know LS' alignment. And arguing about my "demonizing" conjecture won't get you any closer to discovering it. I moved to stop this silly discussion, yet you continue, even though you say it's silly. And you obviously haven't read my post well enough, because I'm repeating a lot what has been said before.
FoS: SSC for silly posts.
...
We need to focus on what to do about the vig/SK before we can do a lynch. I guess roleclaiming right now serves no purpose, without knowing whether the vig will be able to be protected this night. If it's instead an SK that killed Keeper, we'll need to find him.
...Wait. I forgot something during my brainstorming. What if, say LS is town the mafia killed LS, and the vig/SK killed Keeper instead? It somewhat makes sense for the mafia to kill LS, seeing the confusion it can cause.
So in conclusion, everything is still possible. :/
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 01:05 PM
Utterly retarded that we don't have any information about LS's identity. I mean I guess making a game unwinnable is cool, but, you know. However...
The obvious logic is that since Keeper was town and we know his identity, he was the vanilla mafia hit. This would leave LS as the SK/vig/whatever kill. Does the SK/vig get any information about LS?
Spam Elemental
03-17-2009, 01:52 PM
Since we have no information about LS's alignment, I suspect this round will be as much a random guess as the first one. Since Cee Pee is making long silly posts that have very little that I find useful or intelligent, and I don't want to be forced to read any more of those than I need to, I'm voting for him.
Vote: Cee Pee
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 01:56 PM
Since we have no information about LS's alignment, I suspect this round will be as much a random guess as the first one.
Really.
Since Cee Pee is making long silly posts that have very little that I find useful or intelligent, and I don't want to be forced to read any more of those than I need to, I'm voting for him.
Your own limited intelligence is not his barrier.
Vote: Cee Pee
FoS: Spam Elemental
It's far too early in the day to be throwing votes out on random evidence. Your claim that today is a random vote has merit, but that's yet to be actually decided. You provided absolutely no evidence beyond a weak supposition about the information presented in the kill. CP actually brings up some interesting ideas, and you proclaim idiocy and ignorance as virtues in a game based on intelligence and careful consideration.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 02:01 PM
And you obviously haven't read my post well enough, because I'm repeating a lot what has been said before.
...
...Wait. I forgot something during my brainstorming. What if, say LS is town the mafia killed LS, and the vig/SK killed Keeper instead? It somewhat makes sense for the mafia to kill LS, seeing the confusion it can cause
Also, at the risk of posting too much, re: LS's almost-lynch, then death:
If it was an SK/vig, maybe they didn't feel bad about going for LS since he was almost lynched/killed anyway. If it was mafia, maybe it was a ploy to confuse us, and if you want to get really paranoid, maybe that's why CP and Naga are trying to demonize him now.
Who's not reading whose posts? You continue to say the same things because my refutations seem to go over your head.
Even if you're not mafia, your behaviour isn't vouching for your intelligence, so Vote: Cee Pee.
Cee Pee
03-17-2009, 02:12 PM
Who's not reading whose posts? You continue to say the same things because my refutations seem to go over your head.
No, I continue to say the same things, elaborate them, and add more.
I may have unknowingly repeated you, and I'm sorry for that, but that doesn't make it less valid. Maybe, for once, I'm agreeing with you! :V
Even if you're not mafia, your behaviour isn't vouching for your intelligence, so Vote: Cee Pee.
So are you voting because you question my sanity, or is it the other way around, questioning my behavior? I can understand the latter one, as I feel pretty scummy myself. I never quite got the grasp of looking non-scummy, even when I'm town. :(
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 02:17 PM
I'm voting because I'm suspicious of your apparent inability to make sense, not your behaviour. Yes, that may be my opinion, but it seems like one of us is crazy and I'm going to pick you. If I was voting on behaviour, I'd probably be tied between the two of us.
Even if my suspicions are wrong, you're still annoying and apparently dumb and it wouldn't be a terrible loss in my eyes.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 02:20 PM
On second thought, SSC and SE are probably not mafia. They're being too hamhanded and if Cee Pee actually gets voted and is town then they're such obvious targets at this point.
On the other hand, they could be really, really, really bad at this game. Still, I'm strongly puzzled by their bloodthirst for lynching so early in a day.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 02:21 PM
Elaborating on behaviour, since there are two types of behaviour going on here:
Long posts and the manner of is typical(?) suspicious behaviour for which I'm not voting for you, and that's what I meant in the above post.
Going in circles in our posts is the behaviour I meant in the post before that for which I am voting you.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 02:25 PM
Going in circles in our posts is the behaviour I meant in the post before that for which I am voting you.
So... because he's posting mildly confusing information (I was able to follow his post pretty easily) he's necessarily scum?
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 02:38 PM
So... because he's posting mildly confusing information (I was able to follow his post pretty easily) he's necessarily scum?
I followed just fine, but found fault in most of what he said and pointed it out. I haven't done that with his last long post though, because he suggested we stop and I like that idea. If you want me to clarify anything though, I'd be glad to.
jok3r
03-17-2009, 02:44 PM
I'm not really that suspicious of anyone right now. CP is pretty thorough with his ideas, though I haven't really picked through the logic at all. Fallacies are bound to show... :-\
SS and SE, I'm not sure. They're both jumping on CP pretty hard right now, which could be suspicious.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 02:47 PM
WTH, has NO ONE been reading my posts?
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 02:48 PM
I followed just fine, but found fault in most of what he said and pointed it out. I haven't done that with his last long post though, because he suggested we stop and I like that idea. If you want me to clarify anything though, I'd be glad to.
You act as though you have been arguing with him for a page. You haven't. There were a handful of posts you directly replied to, and if you want to stop just because he wants to stop because you're lazy then I would much rather have Cee Pee playing since he's actually contributing instead of vomiting out a vote with the worst logic.
You didn't even answer my question. You're saying you voted for him because of going in circles. Really? That's scummy behavior to you? I mean it can be, but it has to have proper context. His doesn't. He's merely proposing hypotheticals and then you vote to lynch him. Consider him scummy, yes. Point out how you feel about him, sure. Make the case for lynching him, definitely. Throwing out a random vote on the flimsiest evidence? Seriously?
You're either incredibly incompetent as town or incredibly incompetent as mafia. There's not enough information to decide one way or the other yet.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 02:50 PM
WTH, has NO ONE been reading my posts?
Sorry, you're not the bastion of logic you thought you were.
jok3r
03-17-2009, 02:55 PM
Sorry, you're not the bastion of logic you thought you were.
Bastion, nice 50-cent word. and stapler, my suspicion isn't even at FoS status yet, calm down.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 02:57 PM
You didn't even answer my question. You're saying you voted for him because of going in circles. Really? That's scummy behavior to you? I mean it can be, but it has to have proper context. His doesn't. He's merely proposing hypotheticals and then you vote to lynch him. Consider him scummy, yes. Point out how you feel about him, sure. Make the case for lynching him, definitely. Throwing out a random vote on the flimsiest evidence? Seriously?
I'm voting because I'm suspicious of your apparent inability to make sense, not your behaviour. Yes, that may be my opinion, but it seems like one of us is crazy and I'm going to pick you. If I was voting on behaviour, I'd probably be tied between the two of us.
Even if my suspicions are wrong, you're still annoying and apparently dumb and it wouldn't be a terrible loss in my eyes.
The scumminess is in his hypotheticals that don't make sense. I've pointed it out, but he continues to stick with them.
I voted for him because we're not going to get anywhere else since we don't have any more information that hasn't been presented so far. If I'm wrong and someone does present more information, which they'd probably do if they, like you, thought I was voting too hastily, then there's nothing preventing me from changing my vote based on their information, if it changes anything.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 03:04 PM
The scumminess is in his hypotheticals that don't make sense. I've pointed it out, but he continues to stick with them.
I voted for him because we're not going to get anywhere else since we don't have any more information that hasn't been presented so far. If I'm wrong and someone does present more information, which they'd probably do if they, like you, thought I was voting too hastily, then there's nothing preventing me from changing my vote based on their information, if it changes anything.
Right. "inability to make sense" is probably the stupidest fucking reason to vote for someone I've seen, especially when you say you were able to follow his posts just fine. So which is it?
His hypotheticals are fine. There is a logic behind them, and he's defended them. You have actually failed pretty hard at pointing them out, seeing as how in his big post he made a a reasonably strong defense of them (not saying I necessarily agree with them). I read your posts, and I didn't see anything that strongly refuted his points. If you'd like to go back and explain what's going on in further detail, feel free.
You're also incredibly wrong if you think no new information is going to come out. There's already been a lot of new information on this page alone to consider. Voting hastily just adds a stack against someone that makes them easier to kill. Sure, you can change your mind - unless someone is bandwagoned off when you're offline.
The strongest non-CP case is being made against you and there is no imperative for you to vote for yourself.
Shadow
03-17-2009, 03:18 PM
I agree with Shady. Trying to jump the gun right now is retarded.
Lets wait for more people to show up in this thread since a lot of people are inactive and see what they have to say.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 03:21 PM
Lets wait for more people to show up in this thread since a lot of people are inactive and see what they have to say.
Well, that's probably not going to happen, frankly. The first mafia game was also riddled with inactivity and seeing as this game a) has more people and b) is the second mafia game on a forum resurrected as a joke I don't have much hopes for people being interested.
Not that I'm saying we should hastily vote, or anything. Do you have anything interesting to say about what's going on currently?
On second thought, SSC and SE are probably not mafia. They're being too hamhanded and if Cee Pee actually gets voted and is town then they're such obvious targets at this point.
Or they're terrible.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 03:44 PM
Long post following.
"Why would I be protecting LS?"
You're trying to make LS look town when he might not be. I am just letting my thought known, and again and again I state that it's only conjecture, and I use words like "might", yet you insist he's town and I'm scummy because I don't.
That never answered why I would be doing it. Furthermore, I invite anyone to find a post where I insisted he was town. If you're suggesting I shouldn't be bothered by your hypotheticals because you're using words like "might", then I disagree because I find them very unlikely via logic which I have stated before.
"I voted for him."
Voting for someone who might be your mafiate buddy does not make you less scummy. In fact, it's a common strategy to join bandwagons because it also makes everyone else scummier. And the fact that it's day 1, everything's possible.
Valid hypothetical, but still has nothing to do with why I would be protecting him. In fact, it has to do with the opposite.
In my not so humble opinion, LS was indeed the reason K-Scope was modkilled by putting attention on him. There are other inactives LS might have chosen, and Van hasn't been modkilled them. Of course, he's looking for replacements, which is good. But aside from that, I think he reacted to quickly to the situation, which was still developing.
It seems like you're suggesting that because LS picked someone among the few lurkers, that makes him scummy. How is this any different from the concept of bandwagoning? Pick someone at semi-random to vote off for no reason other than to continue the game. There were other inactives, just as there were other normal people to bandwagon at first.
I don't know. It depends on the circumstances, and I find this a scummy one.
What I would do if I was bandwagoned? I would pray things change before the deadline. The vote count was horribly close to the lynch count, but for some reason, he succeeded to not get lynched. I would have voted for myself if it were to come to only one vote left until lynch. That way, the town would know I was town, and my not-so-awesome role. It has no effect at all to lynch lurkers, because they're likely to be town, due to the way the game is distributed.
That's silly. Who's more likely to be town? Yourself, when you know your own role as town, or a lurker who has a (albeit small) chance of being mafia? Also, it's not incredibly selfish to want to live past the first round by taking the life of a lurker, who, again, if you are town, has a better chance of being mafia than yourself.
Why do I find LS voting K-Scope scummy circumstances? Because LS' alignment wasn't made known when he was killed this night. That might be a role of the killer, but I'm more leaning towards the idea of it being some sort of protection the mafia (as a group) has: if a mafiate dies, it is not made known that he is mafia, nor is his role name publicized. It causes a lot of confusion, unnecessary discussions, and people claiming their conclusions based on the situation at hand makes them scummy.
The modkill makes me unhappy because it was too soon. I had no time to reply. I am also unhappy because it ended the day, which I thought only happens when a lynch is made. There wasn't.
That isn't very likely, since if all the mafiates have their identities hidden upon death, we'd figure it out pretty quickly. Let me explain: If it's an SK/vig ability, then someone of unknown identity will be killed every night. If it's an ability all mafia have, then the next round no mafia is killed (likely to happen), we'll see both victims' identities and know that mafiates have their identity hidden, and the lack of identity will identify them. In conclusion, I don't think it's more likely that it's an inherent ability of the mafia because it seems pretty broken.
I never suggested the people voting K-Scope were "at fault". You may have misunderstood my words (and I think Naga did, as well). I found these people a bit suspicious, but not suspicious enough to be involved. I blame their scummyness because of day 1 posting.
Casting suspicion on people is still a motive, which was my point. And you still haven't produced a motive for me "protecting" LS.
You are the one making silly posts. You're the one beating a dead horse. We don't know LS' alignment. And arguing about my "demonizing" conjecture won't get you any closer to discovering it. I moved to stop this silly discussion, yet you continue, even though you say it's silly. And you obviously haven't read my post well enough, because I'm repeating a lot what has been said before.
This isn't about LS' alignment, really, since you're right that we can't know either way. This is about your hypotheticals which you stick to even though they do not stand up to scrutiny.
I hope this suits you, SP.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 04:15 PM
I hope this suits you, SP.
Except for the HORRIBLE formatting, yes. Isolating his points with quotes and responding to them that way or just responding to his post as a whole would've been much better. It's difficult to respond this way.
Again, I don't speak for Cee Pee, but these are my own thoughts on the dialogue and some clarification from Cee Pee and what he actually meant would be nice.
That never answered why I would be doing it.
It was implicit that the idea was that you were 'protecting' him because you were aligned with him in the mafia.
Furthermore, I invite anyone to find a post where I insisted he was town. If you're suggesting I shouldn't be bothered by your hypotheticals because you're using words like "might", then I disagree because I find them very unlikely via logic which I have stated before.
You never did, but you did criticize Cee Pee's hypotheticals almost out of the blue. CP's first post on the subject read to me as musing out loud. Yet, you characterized it as 'demonizing' LS, when really he was just extrapolating upon the doubt that exists as to who LS was working with. He's perfectly right to do so; we got next to nothing about him from his death, so CP is using the limited information to form a hypothetical theory to present before the town.
How is this unlikely via logic? It's very fucking likely and justifiable.
Valid hypothetical, but still has nothing to do with why I would be protecting him. In fact, it has to do with the opposite.
No, it actually has to do with the fact that you might be mafia.
It seems like you're suggesting that because LS picked someone among the few lurkers, that makes him scummy. How is this any different from the concept of bandwagoning? Pick someone at semi-random to vote off for no reason other than to continue the game. There were other inactives, just as there were other normal people to bandwagon at first.
I see where you're going with this and it makes sense. But LS specifically mentioned K-Scope in his post, who turned out to be a townie. Since LS's affiliation wasn't revealed on his death, it stands to reason that he could be mafia, and since he just so happened to choose a townie, it stands to reason that he could be mafia, as well. It's something to go on and is a valid thought to explore.
I agree with CP that it's frustrating that he was modkilled as a lynch instead of being replaced or something else. We lost a lot of information that way.
That's silly. Who's more likely to be town? Yourself, when you know your own role as town, or a lurker who has a (albeit small) chance of being mafia? Also, it's not incredibly selfish to want to live past the first round by taking the life of a lurker, who, again, if you are town, has a better chance of being mafia than yourself.
I agree here, sort of. The act of voting for yourself to reveal you are town actually does contribute in the sense that it proves they were wrong and need to reexamine their logic and it also places those who put them under the knife under suspicion. Randomly killing off a lurker is probably better in the first round, though, as there is a strong correlation between lurking and mafiaing.
That isn't very likely, since if all the mafiates have their identities hidden upon death, we'd figure it out pretty quickly. Let me explain: If it's an SK/vig ability, then someone of unknown identity will be killed every night. If it's an ability all mafia have, then the next round no mafia is killed (likely to happen), we'll see both victims' identities and know that mafiates have their identity hidden, and the lack of identity will identify them. In conclusion, I don't think it's more likely that it's an inherent ability of the mafia because it seems pretty broken.
Makes sense. But instead of being an inherent mafia ability, it could just be someone in the mafia's ability. Unlikely, sure, but we don't have enough information to decide just yet. Perhaps tomorrow.
Casting suspicion on people is still a motive, which was my point. And you still haven't produced a motive for me "protecting" LS.
He doesn't need to because seriously it's pretty fucking implicit. And it's not "because he's my bff".
This isn't about LS' alignment, really, since you're right that we can't know either way. This is about your hypotheticals which you stick to even though they do not stand up to scrutiny.
I disagree with both of you, actually; this is 'about' LS's alignment, and extrapolations thereof. We can't know, yes, but given the limited information from the kill the night before it's probably all we have to go on.
Also, here's a fun little quote I found:
If LegendShark is mafia, [Keeper] is next to go! :V
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 04:16 PM
This isn't about LS' alignment, really, since you're right that we can't know either way. This is about your hypotheticals which you stick to even though they do not stand up to scrutiny.
Oh, and I also meant to say that some of his hypotheticals are good.
Also, it's just generally suspicious that you would defend LS as rigorously as you have.
Cee Pee
03-17-2009, 04:16 PM
Please, breaking up posts makes things easier. I first wanted to not respond to this because it would of course turn out to be a long post, rambling along about my "demonizing" hypotheticals.
That never answered why I would be doing it. Furthermore, I invite anyone to find a post where I insisted he was town.
Right (http://wut.ca/showpost.php?p=16849&postcount=191), saying he "didn't trick anyone" (which he actually did) of course doesn't mean you're not protecting him. You also said he "never lied or said anything remotely false", also protecting and insisting. You base it on no evidence, yet you're sure of it. I know, you don't say "He's town", but why would you do that it's too protective. You did imply so and make him look innocent, but if I misunderstood your post, then I'm sorry for that.
Looking over his posts again, he never could have lied, because there's not much factual in it. (Day one strikes again!) In my opinion, however, he tricked people in lynching a lurker, without even having to do much.
If you're suggesting I shouldn't be bothered by your hypotheticals because you're using words like "might", then I disagree because I find them very unlikely via logic which I have stated before.
I'm not saying you shouldn't bother with them, you should. You can even see me as being scummy. But don't draw your own, ungrounded conclusions from it (like, "silly", "unable to make sense"). And don't direct them at me, direct them to the conjecture.
Valid hypothetical, but still has nothing to do with why I would be protecting him. In fact, it has to do with the opposite.
Actually, going protective (as stated above) by saying he's not scummy, and saying you're not protecting him because you voted during day 1 is not a valid argument. You might have voted for him just to join the bandwagon and don't get attention.
It seems like you're suggesting that because LS picked someone among the few lurkers, that makes him scummy. How is this any different from the concept of bandwagoning? Pick someone at semi-random to vote off for no reason other than to continue the game. There were other inactives, just as there were other normal people to bandwagon at first.
Except that he picked them in a different position. A bandwagon is entirely different; there was no clear majority at that time. It's true that mafiates might start or join a bandwagon, but that's where the similarities end. LS was shifting off attention, bandwagoners were making attention.
That's silly. Who's more likely to be town? Yourself, when you know your own role as town, or a lurker who has a (albeit small) chance of being mafia? Also, it's not incredibly selfish to want to live past the first round by taking the life of a lurker, who, again, if you are town, has a better chance of being mafia than yourself.
But it makes you less of a target during the night. Yeah, because you'd be dead in the lynch case. But all I'm saying is that it might have been better for LS to lynch himself to let the town know he's town. But now we don't know, and trying to make hypotheticals, which isn't really helping.
Yes, lurkers are more likely to be mafia than you if you're a town, but if you're mafia, it may be important to make sure the town doesn't get to know the mafia has a special ability. Now we're blaming almost every side (vig, SK, mafia, LS) to possibly have a special role.
That isn't very likely, since if all the mafiates have their identities hidden upon death, we'd figure it out pretty quickly. Let me explain: If it's an SK/vig ability, then someone of unknown identity will be killed every night. If it's an ability all mafia have, then the next round no mafia is killed (likely to happen), we'll see both victims' identities and know that mafiates have their identity hidden, and the lack of identity will identify them. In conclusion, I don't think it's more likely that it's an inherent ability of the mafia because it seems pretty broken.
That's true, I haven't really paid much attention as to why Van would give the mafia such a power (if, of course, he did). With all due respect to Van, GMs might create broken, not well-thought-out abilities. But there may be something behind this ability, something deeper. It might just be that it's a cult, and there's no mafia. Insane hypothetical, I know. :V
This isn't about LS' alignment, really, since you're right that we can't know either way. This is about your hypotheticals which you stick to even though they do not stand up to scrutiny.
...And these hypotheticals are about LS' alignment, vigs or SKs, and role hiding abilities.
Cee Pee
03-17-2009, 04:22 PM
Also, I had a headegg while writing this, so I may have forgot something, as in the lead, where I meant too say, "But I'll respond anyway because they might be useful in finding who to lynch, which may or may not be me."
Reading SP's post right now, which I didn't see while posting.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 04:33 PM
The only thing I have to say in response to SP and CP are:
"Protecting" LS doesn't implicitly make me mafia. What am I protecting him from? He's already dead. This doesn't help me if I'm a mafia, and is obviously just drawing more suspicion toward me.
Howabout, if LS is mafia, it's not for the reasons CP is stating? Does that explain my motives better?
And to the rest:
:seal:
Cee Pee
03-17-2009, 04:41 PM
And to the rest:
:seal:
Thank you.
I've hopefully explained my reasons for suspecting LS to be mafia, and adopted hypotheticals that mark him innocent. I don't know why you'd be "protecting" him, but I'm not going to go to make hypotheticals out of that. :mad:
In all seriousness, since all flimsy evidence can be taken to mean different things, it's no use to keep on basing on that. Dunno where else to base on. I guess it's better to wait until others get the chance to post.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 04:51 PM
The only thing I have to say in response to SP and CP are:
"Protecting" LS doesn't implicitly make me mafia. What am I protecting him from? He's already dead. This doesn't help me if I'm a mafia, and is obviously just drawing more suspicion toward me.
I already said you weren't the bastion of logic you thought you were.
You're 'protecting' his reputation. Believe it or not you're trying much harder than you should be to 'defend' LS. But that's not why I actually think you're scummy. It's just a suppositional claim. Combined with the fact that Spam Elemental came out of nowhere and voted CP on the flimsiest logic, and you followed suit with essentially worse logic ("inability to make sense" despite the fact that you then claimed you understood him and had to clarify), it stands to reason that both of you are scummy.
There's two possibilities here: a) you're mafia and felt some need to defend LS (who was mafia and you know it because, well, you know) by turning attention around on CP to try and get a day lynch of a townie despite the fact that you have a weak argument, or b) you're town and for some reason thought CP was being scummy and decided to vote for him on really shitty reasoning. The first makes some sense, but the second really doesn't, unless you're just that bad of a Mafia player.
Interestingly, you haven't revoked your vote yet. You're still convinced he's mafia, huh?
If you can't see that trying to squelch discussion (instead of acknowledging the possibility) about whether or not LS was scummy or not has a direct correlation to your own scumminess, then, well...
Howabout, if LS is mafia, it's not for the reasons CP is stating? Does that explain my motives better?
Not particularly because you HAVEN'T FUCKING MADE THIS ARGUMENT BEFORE OR PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE THAT SUPPORTS THE CLAIM
It really feels like you're backpeddling.
And to the rest:
:seal:
oh
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 05:03 PM
I'm not convinced he's mafia; that would be silly. I don't think I will be as convinced about anyone else in this round, though.
I mean, who should I vote for?
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 05:05 PM
I'm not convinced he's mafia; that would be silly. I don't think I will be as convinced about anyone else in this round, though.
I mean, who should I vote for?
The person who has evidence against them, as opposed to an "inability to make sense" with mild (if any) hostile overtones?
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 05:07 PM
The person who has evidence against them, as opposed to an "inability to make sense" with mild (if any) hostile overtones?
Who has evidence against them?
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 05:09 PM
Who has evidence against them?
Besides you? No one. So there should be no vote.
The vote is the strongest normal action you can take during the day. Obviously there's no limit on how many times you can change your vote, but there should generally be a good reason before you vote for someone.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 05:13 PM
But we'll have to vote someone off eventually, hence I am doing it now.
Cee Pee
03-17-2009, 05:14 PM
People who might post later this day, unless someone gets lynched/modkilled before they can post, of course. :V
But we might have vigs, cops, roleblockers or other roles that have evidence from whether happened at night. They should make up their mind on whether it's a good idea to roleclaim, first, though.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 05:15 PM
But we'll have to vote someone off eventually, hence I am doing it now.
We have til Friday. It's Tuesday. You're voting off someone on no evidence. Do you really think that we have all the information that we're going to get?
Cee Pee
03-17-2009, 05:17 PM
from whether happened at night.
*about whatever
But yes, voting now is a bit short-sighted. I've abstained from voting because there's nothing certain right now.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 05:18 PM
No one else is posting, so yeah, I think it's likely this is all we're gonna get.
CP's not going to get lynched either until more people vote or it becomes Friday. In the first case, before people vote, they'll no doubt share information they have. If it gets to Friday, then that's that.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 05:18 PM
they'll no doubt share information they have if they're willing to share it*
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 05:21 PM
No one else is posting, so yeah, I think it's likely this is all we're gonna get.
Clearly, because Tuesday at 2-5 PM is the most active time on TS.
CP's not going to get lynched either until more people vote or it becomes Friday.
Right.
In the first case, before people vote, they'll no doubt share information they have.
You mean like you did?
If it gets to Friday, then that's that.
So sure of yourself.
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 05:24 PM
I have no information to share. That also does not change my point.
What do you mean so sure of myself? If it gets to Friday and nothing has changed, then how was voting early a bad thing?
mrs_bun
03-17-2009, 05:25 PM
Utterly retarded that we don't have any information about LS's identity. I mean I guess making a game unwinnable is cool, but, you know. However...
FoT: Shady (Finger of Town) :V
I think based on this post that we can safely say Shady is not scum, and he should not be voted for. Unless he's being sneaky, I guess, but his genuinely irritated (if mildly) has a certain ring to it usually.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 05:27 PM
I have no information to share. That also does not change my point.
Right, I'm saying you're basing your opinion on literally nothing. You literally could've rolled a die and voted based on that and you would have exactly as much evidence against them. Yet you continue to justify your vote when CP is a) active b) contributing in some way and c) aligned in some way against you.
Spam Elemental is the obvious scummy choice. He showed up out of nowhere and voted on weak evidence. But you haven't called him out. Why?
What do you mean so sure of myself? If it gets to Friday and nothing has changed, then how was voting early a bad thing?
I don't mean anything at all.
mrs_bun
03-17-2009, 05:28 PM
Also, I can't remember who said it, but I think that NOT voting for a lurker is a good idea, because they are almost def town. And if they ARE mafia, then Van would prolly replace them quicker. Basically, because we don't have any info except posts, we are back to day one.
Town doesn't vote for lurkers, imo. Er, starting now. XP
So we have to pick from people who are posting (or at least on TS regularly, even if not posting a lot,) because they are the ones who are most likely mafia.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 05:33 PM
Also, I can't remember who said it, but I think that NOT voting for a lurker is a good idea, because they are almost def town. And if they ARE mafia, then Van would prolly replace them quicker. Basically, because we don't have any info except posts, we are back to day one.
I don't think anyone has ever said that. Admittedly I'm not great at mafia and I don't have a ton of experience with it, but one of the major problems I remember TS Mafia games having was that the mafia would just lurk and let the town destroy itself. So based on that, logically speaking, it's just as probable that a lurker is a mafia man.
Also I don't think that's proper meta usage. It's really not fair to bring into suspicion everyone who's been replaced as scum.
Town doesn't vote for lurkers, imo. Er, starting now. XP
The town rarely votes for lurkers unless nothing else is going on anyway.
So we have to pick from people who are posting (or at least on TS regularly, even if not posting a lot,) because they are the ones who are most likely mafia.
Are we allowed to be this metagamey?
SizzlingStapleCider
03-17-2009, 05:39 PM
From The Original Mafia Rules (http://web.archive.org/web/19990302082118/http://members.theglobe.com/mafia_rules/):
Players are free to introduce new procedures during the game, but no one has to follow them unless she/he finds their usage at that moment reasonable.
Not that I agree with bun's suggestion necessarily, since that might encourage mafia to lurk.
Spam Elemental
03-17-2009, 05:44 PM
Spam Elemental is the obvious scummy choice. He showed up out of nowhere and voted on weak evidence. But you haven't called him out. Why? My logic was quite simple. Just like SSC I didn't think there was enough evidence to make a logical choice and I didn't think there would be by the end of the week. So I made an arbitrary decision to vote for Cee Pee simply because I thought he was over complicating things and not acknowledging SSC's arguments, not because I thought he was scum. If some other evidence does some up, I'll be happy to change my vote.
mrs_bun
03-17-2009, 05:45 PM
I don't think anyone has ever said that. Admittedly I'm not great at mafia and I don't have a ton of experience with it, but one of the major problems I remember TS Mafia games having was that the mafia would just lurk and let the town destroy itself. So based on that, logically speaking, it's just as probable that a lurker is a mafia man.
Sorry; someone who is on TS but not posting (or not posting ITT) is more likely to be scummy; someone who is just not on TS is most likely vanilla town, I think.
The town rarely votes for lurkers unless nothing else is going on anyway.
I think voting for lurkers is good to speed up the game (you either remove sneaky mafia or non-participanting townies who wouldn't help anyway.)
Are we allowed to be this metagamey?
I don't know. Also I realized that was more of a musing than anything and should probably be stricken from the record.
I find it semi-suspicious that Van modkilled one person instead of replacing (the potentially awesome role of tea,) but then quietly replaced dullahan with Guile, and I haven't seen him posting at all (I realize this goes against what I said earlier about not voting for lurky-type people.)
FoS: Guile
This might be too metagamey as well, though, so I'm reserving voting until more comments.
Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician
03-17-2009, 05:45 PM
My logic was quite simple. Just like SSC I didn't think there was enough evidence to make a logical choice and I didn't think there would be by the end of the week. So I made an arbitrary decision to vote for Cee Pee simply because I thought he was over complicating things and not acknowledging SSC's arguments, not because I thought he was scum. If some other evidence does some up, I'll be happy to change my vote.
You realize you're also playing the game and not just arbitrarily voting on who think you dunnit? You can contribute, too!
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