WoodenMarble Mafia - TOWN WINS! Feel free to call me an asshole!

[mrs_bun]

Can I just say that bun said I was 100% not mafia and then voted for me?

Obviously? It isn't like I have some special line in my role that says I have to post stupid things.

[mrs_bun]

I had a theory you were mafia, but now I'm not sure. :V

I believe your info, and so Vote: bun

:(

[GelbSol]

Has anyone else noticed that Bun hasn't said that Regret, Purple Shrimp and Jimbyob are town!

[Cara]

Why would I be mafia?

You're a terrible admin.

[Naga]

Obviously? It isn't like I have some special line in my role that says I have to post stupid things.

We all had hoped. :(

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Why would I be mafia?

I sort of bunched you in with Cee Pee. :V

BUT I WAS RIGHT!!! I DEMAND YOUR APOLOGIES!!! :V

[mrs_bun]

Has anyone else noticed that Bun hasn't said that Regret, Purple Shrimp and Jimbyob are town!

Shady and Naga are, though.

[Spam Elemental]

GelbSol, I demand you roleclaim.

[Naga]

Where is our official vote count?

[Spam Elemental]

Vote:Mrs_Bun

[Spam Elemental]

Vote: Mrs_Bun

Reposted for bold and +1 to post count.

[Naga]

Oh it's up there.

I count 8 now.

[mrs_bun]

SE! :(

What happened to potecting me?

I really wish you would not vote for me. I think you should protect Cara tonight instead of me, but please don't vote for me. >_<

[mrs_bun]

Well dang it, I guess that's it. I love how this happened when no one was on who could help me. :rolleyes:

[Shadow]

And that all of the mafia members are lurkers.

[mrs_bun]

Yeah, that certainly didn't help. Also, not all of them. Two of the mafia members have been posting a good amount, but I'm not allowed to say who.

[Naga]

Well dang it, I guess that's it. I love how this happened when no one was on who could help me. :rolleyes:

You pretty much rolled over as soon as I roleclaimed and died.

[mrs_bun]

HI NAGA I'M POSTING IN THIS THREAD PER MY ROLE

[Van]

bun was lead up to the gallows, pleading for people to give her a chance and calling everyone a big meanie. "liek, I sed you were TOWN!1!!! Why are u lynchin me? like omg-AAACK!" Her neck snapped like a twig as her body hung limp in the noose. After some through investigation of the body (:rip:), she was determined to be none other than mrs_bun, Mafia Aligned WoodenMarble Founder.

It is now Night 3. PM me your roles.

Mods, kindly lock the thread.

[Van]

Morning, sun, people waking up, yaddayaddayadda, let's get to the point already.

Naga was found dead in his house. His home was completely swept clean like LegendShark's.

Kant was found dead in the street. He was Naga, Mafia Aligned Spy

It is now Day 4. With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.

[Cara]

I have no problem with this turn of events.

Should be one mafia left, correct?

[Cara]

Also, Naga is a terrible admin and I want my role PM.

[Van]

Also, Naga is a terrible admin and I want my role PM.

GRANTED

[Kant]

good going, bun.

[Cara]

Mr. Russian name is Male and did not leave his house.

[GelbSol]

So, since the mafia probably would not kill off another mafia, its safe to assume one of the Mafias, or the last remaining mafias role, is to wipe the crime scene clean. Just like LS, but why didnt it happen on Night 2?

[Cee Pee]

So are these two kills, or just one? The roles are confusing me. >_>
It's interesting how Naga's role isn't shown, like LS wasn't. It makes me suspect there's a cult, but that's a very unlikely theory. The "home was completely swept clean" rather makes me think it's rather an optional ability the mafia could use to hide their victims. So we can assume LS and Naga are town, though I'm not completely certain.

Also, I wasn't able to state I'm Zerg0nator, Town Aligned Merger of Threads yesterday. I haven't activated my one-time role yet. While the fact that I'm not telling what it is might sound suspicious right now, I can only really say that the role isn't as super as you might think. It may come to use once. I don't really want to let the mafia know it, because they might screw it up.

Anyhow, who to lynch? I don't think lynching lurkers is a good idea, because the mafia did send in a hit, even if they're alone. bun's claim that "SP and Naga are town" isn't really useful, as she might as well be using reverse psychology. Or reverse reverse. :V

Btw, I'll be off to Italy for about a week in about three weeks. Dunno if I'll be able to get internet access there, so I might miss a game day.

[jok3r]

Mr. Russian name is Male and did not leave his house.

:teach:

[GelbSol]

So are these two kills, or just one? The roles are confusing me. >_>
It's interesting how Naga's role isn't shown, like LS wasn't. It makes me suspect there's a cult, but that's a very unlikely theory. The "home was completely swept clean" rather makes me think it's rather an optional ability the mafia could use to hide their victims. So we can assume LS and Naga are town, though I'm not completely certain.

Also, I wasn't able to state I'm Zerg0nator, Town Aligned Merger of Threads yesterday. I haven't activated my one-time role yet. While the fact that I'm not telling what it is might sound suspicious right now, I can only really say that the role isn't as super as you might think. It may come to use once. I don't really want to let the mafia know it, because they might screw it up.

Anyhow, who to lynch? I don't think lynching lurkers is a good idea, because the mafia did send in a hit, even if they're alone. bun's claim that "SP and Naga are town" isn't really useful, as she might as well be using reverse psychology. Or reverse reverse. :V


Well, like I said above, Mafia would not probably kill Mafia, so we can assume that Naga is town and that would lead me to believe that SP is too. As I too was unable to state PariahKing, Town Aligned Founder; I too have a one-time use role, which I shall not disclose at this point for the same reason. Im gonna re-read the thread and see what I can find.

[Regret]

I am The Guy, Town Aligned Idol of Manliness. I have an ability that I can't control, only happens once, and doesn't seem very useful anyway. Considering how much discussion there was over lynching bun or not we may be a able to determine the alignment of a few people based on their stance.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

So since Russian name didn't leave his house, it's safe to assume he's town, right?

Do we think the random killer is friendly or not? I'm not sure, personally.

I'm the tiniest bit suspicious of people joining the one-time role bandwagon, since it might be a cheap way for a mafia to fabricate a role to keep a town image. Although, I believe Marchese since the idol of manliness goes with the gender theme of the game.

To refute a point about lurkers not being mafia since mafia is killing, that's not really a good reason since it's quite possible the mafia are lurking to avoid saying something and endangering themselves, and also so we don't ask them for a role. They might be playing on the back and forth debate and hesitation about lynching lurkers. So I think it could go either way.

Also, about bun's discussion, I'm not sure that's helpful since she's a horrible player and you can't tell if she was being honest, reverse-psychology, or double reverse-psychology (as someone already pointed out), so yeah.

So I have no real idea who to lynch.

[Shadow]

There has to be a role that's me and it better to some stupid shit or I'll be pissed.

[Cara]

I am Shadow, Town Aligned Faggot. My role is to fag up threads.

I am Ca...

Wait, we already did this.

[Cara]

Thanks for telling me, I never would have figured that out.

[Cara]

At any rate, the theory about who to lynch is perfectly simple: whoever bun outed as mafia is mafia. Obviously.

Minus the fact she didn't out anyone.

[Cara]

SK/vig, money is on SK.

But yeah my guess is one of the assholes who chose to post about a one-time power.

[Cara]

You know if one of the cops posted that'd be great.

[GelbSol]

We still havent had a post from Jimbyob and Purple Fish for over two days, what do we do about this?

[Cee Pee]

As for going after who bun protected: While there may be some kind of hidden message in her "these people are town/scum" list, it may as well be a ploy to make sure we lynch the wrong people. It's better to go over all her posts and find out who she might have been protecting.
Also, I don't think the mafia made a night hit?
I think they did; both Naga and Kant are dead. First post seems to state that as well. Or are you implying there's a third role that can kill (as yet another one time role :V)?
But yeah my guess is one of the assholes who chose to post about a one-time power.
Well, I agree that the whole one-time power bandwagon reeks scummyness. SSC is correct that mafiates could buy more time to fabricate their fake claims, but they could (and would) have done so long time before to make sure they don't look scummy.
You know if one of the cops posted that'd be great.
Except that there's only one that's still alive, the one whose role post states he's actually a doctor? I'm going to trust Naga (even though his actual role was never revealed) and assume Shadow is town, so it would indeed be helpful if he'd tell who he protected/investigated this night.
We still havent had a post from Jimbyob and Purple Fish for over two days, what do we do about this?
Send them messages? (They are online sometimes, I think.) Replace them? Lynching is really only a last resort because the mafia/SK is probably active.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

What if bun's (dis)ability was she could only tell the truth? I don't know if she ever blatantly said she was town, or not mafia. She seems to have been telling the truth about her accusations/claims (Guile was mafia, Naga was town), and she even "jokingly" referenced to herself as the queen of the mafia.

This sort of explains her strategy to lynch Guile, since when you can't lie, your strategies are limited.

Now I wonder if the whole mafia is like this. No evidence for, or against this. However, if it's true, it makes me lean more to lynching lurkers.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I don't know how this possible truthiness applies to lurkers, though. Would bun be allowed to say "don't target lurkers" if most of them were mafia? I guess so, which makes me want to target lurkers, but I'm not sure.

[jok3r]

What if bun's (dis)ability was she could only tell the truth? I don't know if she ever blatantly said she was town, or not mafia. She seems to have been telling the truth about her accusations/claims (Guile was mafia, Naga was town), and she even "jokingly" referenced to herself as the queen of the mafia.

This sort of explains her strategy to lynch Guile, since when you can't lie, your strategies are limited.

Now I wonder if the whole mafia is like this. No evidence for, or against this. However, if it's true, it makes me lean more to lynching lurkers.

I doubt all of the mafia had the same role... Right now, I'm not exactly sure what to think. We could test this, though, by asking everyone directly if he is mafia or not...

[jok3r]

*shrug*

Dear everyone playing mafia: are you mafia?

I say we lynch whomever doesn't answer after say, 3 days.

Then I'll be first and say No, I am not mafia. Cara (I believe) has proven it by saying I did not leave my house on the night of a mafia hit.

[Regret]

No, I'm not mafia. I made a post detailing why I thought Bun scum the day we lynched her before, I think, anyone voted for her.

[Cara]

Bun also lynched Guile.

[jok3r]

Bun also lynched Guile.

Yes, but as discussed, this could have been her best way of looking innocent without lying...

[Cara]

And the best way to look innocent without lying again is to lynch the mafia don, especially if they are a terrible player.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Woah, that's an extreme suggestion, lol. But of course, I am not a mafia member.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Actually, I don't like this suggestion. Feel free to continue, but it gives false trustworthiness to those who answer they are not mafia, when I might be wrong and it was only bun who could not lie. I was going out on a limb with that last part when I said "I wonder".

But whatever.

[GelbSol]

I'm not mafia, I do think we need to deal with the lurkers using Van, and that trusting Buns posts could be a double edged sword.

[Cee Pee]

I'm not mafia.

Anyhow, what if only the lurkers don't respond? Will they seem scummy for not wanting to post without lying? I guess they could be online, but just not in the thread. Hm.

[GelbSol]

But the think is, Van shouldve taken care of them by now. The only reason he hasnt, IMO, is that they have important roles/mafia/sk roles that he doesnt want to give up.

Is that what yall call MetaGaming?^

[Spam Elemental]

This idea is silly. I am not mafia.

[Purple_Shrimp]

I am not mafia.

It probably seems really suspicious that I've come out of lurking for several days just to say that, but I've had very poor internet access for a while and I've been unable to access the thread for long enough to collate my thoughts on the situation and post.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

From Kant the mafia member:

Just using occams razor.

I mean, it's either my theory or she is most definately scum. There's no way around it. I severely doubt that Van would be a bad enough DM to have posting limitations as a result of a role, but then I know little to nothing about Woodenmarble, maybe there was someone who had a weird gimmick.

fakeedit--And I'm not defending Bun, it's just that those are the only two possibilities we have with her.

:V

This has made me significantly more sure of my theory, both for bun and mafia, but still not as much about it applying to the entire mafia.

[Cara]

Actually, I don't like this suggestion. Feel free to continue, but it gives false trustworthiness to those who answer they are not mafia, when I might be wrong and it was only bun who could not lie. I was going out on a limb with that last part when I said "I wonder".

But whatever.

I didn't say couldn't lie. Well, unless I did. I meant gain trust.

[jimbyob]

I thought we were still in night, oh well, I'll re read in the morning. I'm not mafia BTW.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Note: jimbyob voted bun even before it was a big bandwagon on day 1, so probably town I'm thinking.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

4. Kant - Naga (Male) -
-I can check to see if someone is mafia or not.
-Day 1 I checked Legendshark, day 2 I checked shadyphoenix, both weren't mafia.

He's not technically lying here! He was mafia so he could very well check if someone was mafia or not. If it's true he can't lie, we can be fairly certain both statements were true.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I'm Naga, I can check to see if someone is mafia or not. Day 1 I checked Legendshark, day 2 I checked shadyphoenix, both weren't mafia.

This is more direct, and I wanted to also check if he ever said he was town aligned, which he didn't. He never lied, and now I'm pretty sure of my theory.

Everyone tell this lie:

I am Naga, mafia-aligned.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Actually, I guess saying I am not mafia still works too, lol.

But yeah, I agree with this now.

[Van]

You are all time-wasting morons.

DEADLINE IS TUESDAY, 8:00PM

[Cara]

This is more direct, and I wanted to also check if he ever said he was town aligned, which he didn't. He never lied, and now I'm pretty sure of my theory.

Everyone tell this lie:

I am Naga, mafia-aligned.

Have I told you lately this is a stupid theory?

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Good guess. I'm Cara+dos. I'm one of those shitty cops that doesn't actually do anything useful, I can get gender and house leaving status for any given character.0

Also, male and female for all roles.

Also, reason I'm telling you this:

Day 1: Kant. Male. Left house.
Day 2: Shady. Male. Did not leave house.

You never stated you were town-aligned in your role. Doesn't incriminate you, or anything, I'm just saying.

You knew Kant left his house. Something a mafia would know...

You knew Shady didn't leave his house. Something a mafia wouldn't know...

You knew their genders. Something a mafia wouldn't know...

It's somewhat inconclusive, leaning to not-mafia. But I just double checked the last two pages, and you haven't said you're not mafia. I know you think the idea is stupid, but that doesn't mean you can't deny your mafia-ness. So go ahead, say you're not mafia Cara.

[Cara]

You do realize that the name of the game is telling the truth in all possible situations, even if it is your role, correct?

[SizzlingStapleCider]

You do realize that the name of the game is telling the truth in all possible situations, even if it is your role, correct?

I don't get what you mean by that.

Also, you haven't said you're not mafia yet.

[Cara]

I'm saying you're logic is stupid and you are incapable of reading posts.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I'm saying you're logic is stupid and you are incapable of reading posts.

Have I failed to read the part where you said you weren't mafia? No, I don't think so...

Calling me stupid isn't going to make me back off. You either say you're not mafia, or I continue to get pretty suspicious. Who knows, maybe I'm not the only one who thinks that since you won't say you're not mafia when no one else has a problem doing it, that you're very scummy.

[Cara]

You are concluding the ENTIRE mafia is forced to tell the truth based on AS FAR AS YOU KNOW the mafia hasn't told a lie, when one of the basic strategies for the game is "Don't lie when possible."

[Cara]

Which is what I said in the earlier posts.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I get you now. Yes, I always knew my theory was possibly wrong. But while one of the basic strategies of the game is don't lie when possible, I'm sure one is try not to look suspicious. A great way to do that would be to just say you're not mafia when that's what everyone else is doing. It would also be following that first strategy, since you wouldn't be lying, right? Unless of course, it would be a lie. Assuming you're not mafia (which I find laughable at this point), you don't seem to be following either of those two strategies.

Vote: Cara until he/she(?) says they're not mafia. It's not much to ask.

[Cara]

I'm not mafia. Discordia.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I'm not mafia. Discordia.

I was really excited. :(

Unvote: Cara

Now I'll care about your criticisms, and yeah, the theory isn't great.

[Van]

SSC, I even said your theory was wrong.

You are all idiots.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I didn't know how meta to take that.

[Shadow]

What happened to our cops?

[jok3r]

You are concluding the ENTIRE mafia is forced to tell the truth based on AS FAR AS YOU KNOW the mafia hasn't told a lie, when one of the basic strategies for the game is "Don't lie when possible."

It was just a basic idea we tossed around a bit. Also, I very much doubt you're scum as you basically id'd me as non-mafia.

[jok3r]

So after all this time-wasting, we've really gotten nowhere. Except to the point where van is lol you mad, cara got pissed, and I'm less sure about SSC's alignment than before.

[jok3r]

I'll not make a "say you're not mafia" suggestion again..

[Cee Pee]

SSC, why did you use your vote to force Cara into saying "I'm not mafia?" Not that there's anything scummy in that (in fact, "defending" Cara seems scummier – though I'm not really defending), but the circumstances make me suspicious of you.
You started with the whole "what if bun can only tell the truth", basing on flimsy evidence and small details. Yes, bun never said she wasn't town; why would she? "Oh hey I'm town don't lynch me" isn't a good defense and pretty scummy. Indeed, she started hinting at the fact she's the mafia queen, but that's probably because she thought the thread wasn't moving on quick enough. Or it was drug-induced. :V She only started outright saying "I'm mafia" when all was lost. I wouldn't recommend that if I were mafia, but meh. Can't justify bun's actions in that.

Right now, we have a tight deadline and you basically distracted the town with this experiment. Okay, it was Joker and SP who started rolling the ball, but you certainly tossed the idea.

The evidence of Kant thinking bun's scum is far from solid either. I don't see how it would apply to your theory of "bun must tell the thruth" – bun isn't saying anything in that quote, is she? As for the whole mafia: don't forget that Kant was a Mafia Aligned Spy, which means, according to the Px2 thread, he didn't know who the other mafiates were, and vice versa.
Note: jimbyob voted bun even before it was a big bandwagon on day 1, so probably town I'm thinking.
You shouldn't base thoughts on day one posting, as it was mostly random voting in the beginning anyway. A mafiate might as well vote for another mafiate just to make sure that no counter votes are made from an "offended" townie. They pretend to be active so they're not lynched for lurking, and they bet other people won't bandwagon. So this note makes me suspicious of you (as for jimbyob, I'm not sure of him).

Your thoughts are usually double-sided, which isn't bad (thinking out of the box is good). However, it makes it harder to find what you actually mean and makes you less prone to being marked suspicious for demonizing people.

In conclusion, you might just be a townie that's putting emphasis on unsolid hypotheticals. But now that there's only a day or one and a half till the deadline, we need to start looking for people to kill. And at the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. FoS: SizzlingStapleCider. Not voting yet, pending your response.

Don't really like that Van's "stepping in" and telling that a theory is wrong (it might have been right; it's only the evidence that sucks). But if it's for the good for the town, I'm not going to complain. :V

[LegendShark]

Me being effeminate:

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2695/199/95/1330290322/n1330290322_30581216_566311.jpg

[Cee Pee]

Me being effeminate:
Were you looking for the expose yourself thread? :huh:

[Cee Pee]

(she could've been referring to Kant).
...but she didn't know Kant was mafia. Unless Kant was, of course, lying about who he investigated and actually knew the mafia members already. Though the role of Mafia Spy states he has to find all the mafia before the spy joins.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

SSC, why did you use your vote to force Cara into saying "I'm not mafia?" Not that there's anything scummy in that (in fact, "defending" Cara seems scummier – though I'm not really defending), but the circumstances make me suspicious of you.
You started with the whole "what if bun can only tell the truth", basing on flimsy evidence and small details. Yes, bun never said she wasn't town; why would she? "Oh hey I'm town don't lynch me" isn't a good defense and pretty scummy. Indeed, she started hinting at the fact she's the mafia queen, but that's probably because she thought the thread wasn't moving on quick enough. Or it was drug-induced. :V She only started outright saying "I'm mafia" when all was lost. I wouldn't recommend that if I were mafia, but meh. Can't justify bun's actions in that.
I don't see why I need to defend that action or my theory. I had the theory that seemed sound enough. It didn't contradict anything and explained bun's behaviour quite nicely, I thought, which we all have to admit was quite radical. Cara refused to say it for whatever reason, so I kept pressing because the fact that someone was so hesitant to say something so easy signalled to me my theory was right and Cara was a mafia. Of couse, this was completely nulled when he said he wasn't mafia, after I pinned a vote on him.


Right now, we have a tight deadline and you basically distracted the town with this experiment. Okay, it was Joker and SP who started rolling the ball, but you certainly tossed the idea.
We didn't know the deadline until I had already "distracted the town" with my theory. Funny how I remember you getting upset for me criticizing your theory-making. But yeah, joker and SP started rolling the ball, not me. I just got quite sure of my theory when Cara wouldn't comply. Come on, who wouldn't?


The evidence of Kant thinking bun's scum is far from solid either. I don't see how it would apply to your theory of "bun must tell the thruth" – bun isn't saying anything in that quote, is she? As for the whole mafia: don't forget that Kant was a Mafia Aligned Spy, which means, according to the Px2 thread, he didn't know who the other mafiates were, and vice versa.
When I started looking at posts of mafiates who weren't bun, that was trying to corroborate the theory for the whole mafia. I hadn't read the Px2 thread and didn't even know what it was. But if the other mafia members didn't know Kant was mafia, are you saying bun guessed he was mafia? I don't really care either way though, since my theory was wrong according to Van.


You shouldn't base thoughts on day one posting, as it was mostly random voting in the beginning anyway. A mafiate might as well vote for another mafiate just to make sure that no counter votes are made from an "offended" townie. They pretend to be active so they're not lynched for lurking, and they bet other people won't bandwagon. So this note makes me suspicious of you (as for jimbyob, I'm not sure of him).
Okay? I don't agree with you, since due to the nature of the first round and bandwagons, it's pretty dangerous to start one since it's likely it'll continue, I think. I also think it's silly of you to be suspicious of me for saying that.

Your thoughts are usually double-sided, which isn't bad (thinking out of the box is good). However, it makes it harder to find what you actually mean and makes you less prone to being marked suspicious for demonizing people.


In conclusion, you might just be a townie that's putting emphasis on unsolid hypotheticals. But now that there's only a day or one and a half till the deadline, we need to start looking for people to kill. And at the moment, you seem the scummiest to me. FoS: SizzlingStapleCider. Not voting yet, pending your response.
That's valid. Luckily for me, I have another point relating to yours that I feel has good weight.


Don't really like that Van's "stepping in" and telling that a theory is wrong (it might have been right; it's only the evidence that sucks). But if it's for the good for the town, I'm not going to complain. :V
If I was a mafia, why would he step in? That's really unfair, don't you think? Mafia are losing, and he trumps what would be deception on my part to take the game back. I haven't thought about how it would help a mafia out to do that. It could be fairly obvious, or maybe not so smart.
It makes most sense (by a lot) that I'm town and he's stopping me from misleading my team.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Edit to post: second paragraph in one of my responses should be in the next quote tag. We all know I suck at quotage.

[Cee Pee]

I don't see why I need to defend that action or my theory.
You always need to defend your theories, and thus your actions you make because them as well.
I had the theory that seemed sound enough. It didn't contradict anything and explained bun's behaviour quite nicely, I thought, which we all have to admit was quite radical. Cara refused to say it for whatever reason, so I kept pressing because the fact that someone was so hesitant to say something so easy signalled to me my theory was right and Cara was a mafia. Of couse, this was completely nulled when he said he wasn't mafia, after I pinned a vote on him.
True enough, but not contradicting anything doesn't mean a theory's not based on flimsy evidence.
We didn't know the deadline until I had already "distracted the town" with my theory. Funny how I remember you getting upset for me criticizing your theory-making. But yeah, joker and SP started rolling the ball, not me. I just got quite sure of my theory when Cara wouldn't comply. Come on, who wouldn't?
You got quite sure before Cara's actions. Your reaction to Cara's denial simply followed from that standpoint.
When I started looking at posts of mafiates who weren't bun, that was trying to corroborate the theory for the whole mafia. I hadn't read the Px2 thread and didn't even know what it was. But if the other mafia members didn't know Kant was mafia, are you saying bun guessed he was mafia? I don't really care either way though, since my theory was wrong according to Van.
I'm not saying that; au contraire. I don't think bun guessed Kant was mafia, but that's less related to the quote and your reaction to it.
Okay? I don't agree with you, since due to the nature of the first round and bandwagons, it's pretty dangerous to start one since it's likely it'll continue, I think. I also think it's silly of you to be suspicious of me for saying that.
Except that jimbyob did the whole "day rape" thing, which make people more hesitant on joining the bandwagon; plus, it was in response to a bandwagon, and bun herself said to Purple Shrimp, I think, "no reverse bandwagoning".
If I was a mafia, why would he step in? That's really unfair, don't you think? Mafia are losing, and he trumps what would be deception on my part to take the game back. I haven't thought about how it would help a mafia out to do that. It could be fairly obvious, or maybe not so smart.
It makes most sense (by a lot) that I'm town and he's stopping me from misleading my team.
I don't think Van's action was biased on people's alignment. I think he did so to move the thread on, because I think he said somewhere he hated this game already.

[Spam Elemental]

Idea for how the kills have gone the way they have so far:

Night 1
Mafia and Vig target K-Scope, SK (has ability to hide identity of targets) targets LS.
Night 2
Mafia and Vig target JB and Fluke. (I don't know who targeted who)
SK targeted Bun, (She didn't die because I protected her, if she had died her identity would have been hidden.)
Night 3
Naga was killed by the SK. (identity hidden)
Mafia target Cara. (He didn't die because I protected him)
Kant was targeted by the Vig.

I don't know how that helps at all, but I think that's what's happened so far.

[Cara]

Wait, assuming one killer, don't we have this won right now?

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I guess you're right CP. You've explained why you're suspicious of me, and I can't make you feel otherwise, based on your reasons.

I will still disagree with you on Van, though.
I don't think Van's action was biased on people's alignment. I think he did so to move the thread on, because I think he said somewhere he hated this game already.
So if I'm mafia, you think he wants to very unfairly (since I'd either be the only or one of two mafias left) destroy my strategies? It's possible, yes, since he wants to move the game along. I can only hope other people will agree with me, though.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

My last statement also applies if I'm an SK.

[Cee Pee]

So if I'm mafia, you think he wants to very unfairly (since I'd either be the only or one of two mafias left) destroy my strategies? It's possible, yes, since he wants to move the game along. I can only hope other people will agree with me, though.
It comes down to the fact that this is very metagamey. We don't know Van's reasons for meddling with people's strategies, so it's better to drop it. People can only believe someone's town by real evidence, not by "Van did X". I know a lynch was based on this, but it was mostly because of bun who "knew" Guile was mafia. Of course she knew, since she was mafia as well, but it's mostly the reason why she lynched her buddy. You state inability to lie. I say it's simply an attempt at looking less suspicious gone wrong.

So that's basically my point of view of what happened (broadly).
@SE: Yeah, that's a possible scenario, though there's no real evidence that there's both a vig and an SK, unless I'm missing something.

[Cee Pee]

Wait, that makes less sense now that I've posted it. On the bun part, I don't know what we can and cannot make out of it, so we should better focus on something else. Lynching lurkers is attractive, but, as SP says, there must be an active mafiate.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Because hounding Cara to say she wasn't mafia when I would have known the theory was bogus and that she wasn't was for the purpose of looking less suspicious?

What's wrong with being metagamey? Better for you that we drop it, not me. This applies to me, conversely, if I'm mafia, but I'm presenting more of an argument than "we can't know." It's either I'm a town who's made a dumb theory, and Van wants the town not to be believe it since we'd be wrong, or I'm a mafia or SK who made the theory as a strategy to win, and he's sacrificing fairness (again, pretty huge) for speed.

You can't say one of my arguments is bad because we don't know Van's reasons. You could apply that same logic to any hypothetical about mafia or anyone since no one knows their reasons most of the time (other than the ultimate goal of victory).

[Van]

I was actually planning on calling the idea retarded when it was first suggested.

You'll notice that, excluding 1-2 lurkers, everyone else already said "I'm not mafia" and proved the theory wrong before I stated it was a retarded idea. I realize this is partially an anti-mafia move. However, if they want/wanted to capitalize on the situation they already/would have done so. The fact that the theory began to persist even after everyone proved otherwise called to my attention a need to step in and remind you that you are on a deadline, here.

and yeah, I don't give much of a shit right now. Fine, only day/night posts from me from now on. :V

[Cee Pee]

I'm willing to drop it if you do as well. It's better to go with my theory of Van having no bias at alignment at all that your "I'm town because Van ruined my plans" thing. We can't know. I'm not seeing any valid arguments for that aren't metagaming. It's wrong because it's not real evidence.

You can't apply metagaming to everything. I'm not seeing where you want to go with your last sentence.

[Cee Pee]

Last post was @SSC of course.
The fact that the theory began to persist even after everyone proved otherwise called to my attention a need to step in and remind you that you are on a deadline, here.
Well, there wasn't any deadline posted beforehand, as far as I know.
and yeah, I don't give much of a shit right now. Fine, only day/night posts from me from now on. :V
And vote counts, of course. Not that there are any votes right now.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

It would make sense that he has no bias, but if I'm mafia, it's a biased move. I'm willing to drop it if you won't budge since I feel I've said enough (after my upcoming statement especially), but I don't agree with you that your argument is better at all.

Responding to what Van just said, if it was for mafia capitalization, delaying people from voting when there's an upcoming deadline would be part of it. We didn't see I was wrong, and if it was a mafia motivation on my part, it should have been allowed to continue as long as it took for a town member to point out what Van just said. I didn't, you didn't, even Cara only managed to say it was stupid, but not that it actually made no sense because enough people said "not mafia." I know you're trying to be objective and un-revealing in your post, Van, but it was a little revealing again.

If we're dropping this, I'm up for lynching a lurker.

[Spam Elemental]

There are 3 players who have no roleclaimed:
1) Purple Shirmp
2) Яков Похис
3) jimbyob

There are 3 players who roleclaimed after most others and had suspicious and/or incomplete information:

1) Regret - The Guy, Town (Male)
-"I have an ability that I can't control, only happens once, and doesn't seem very useful anyway."

2) GelbSol - PariahKing, Town (Male)
-"I too have a one-time use role, which I shall not disclose at this point for the same reason."

3) Cee Pee - Zerg0nator, Town (Male)
-"I haven't activated my one-time role yet. While the fact that I'm not telling what it is might sound suspicious right now, I can only really say that the role isn't as super as you might think. It may come to use once. I don't really want to let the mafia know it, because they might screw it up."

Out of the first 3 I think Яков Похис is the most suspicious for a few reason.
1) He is the most active of the 3 who has not roleclaimed, definitely the only one who can't use that excuse.
2) He supported SSCs idea about mafia being unable to lie (Perhaps an attempt to distract us from thinking about other things)
3 He said "I am not mafia. Cara (I believe) has proven it by saying I did not leave my house on the night of a mafia hit." on day 3. However no one did any such thing.

Out of the second 3, all of them look really fishy, and I think they should all consider providing us with more information about their roles.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I don't have any real arguments other than this metagaming, because as I said already, if you're suspicious of me because I had a dumb theory, then that's that.

[Spam Elemental]

Oh, and Cara do you mind telling us what you found out with your ability last night?

[Spam Elemental]

Fos: Яков Похис

[Spam Elemental]

I understand that it's different for each game, but how many mafia are their usually in a game this size? I'm trying to figure out how many there are remaining.

[Shadow]

Has somebody done one of those opinion lists lately that document all of the players in the game?

[Spam Elemental]

Has somebody done one of those opinion lists lately that document all of the players in the game?No, no one has done one today. I guess I can do one now if you'd like.

[Shadow]

No, no one has done one today. I guess I can do one now if you'd like.

If you could, please. I've read the entire thread but have been busy so exact events are blurry right now.

[Spam Elemental]

jok3r didn't leave his house on the night someone is killed. If he's mafia, he didn't send in for a night kill, which ... well you know.Wut?

[Spam Elemental]

Sorry, let me elaborate. Where did you find that information?

[Shadow]

I know in the old forum there was a way to check break down of a thread based on number of posts. I haven't been able to find this cause I feel like it would help us figure out who's been lurking from the beginning.

[Regret]

Actually, I did post what my role does in my next post when it occurred to me there was no point in it not being known.

I suppose people who haven't roleclaimed should but if they're some very beneficial town role its better for that to be secret from the mafia (maybe I made a mistake by revealing I didn't have a special role) and we may end up with just a name which could easily be made up and even if it is given authentically is not necessarily an indication of alignment. I mean, Rikku, Kant and Bun could be said, I guess, to all be disliked, but you could probably somehow justify putting anyone in that group. For instance CP has roleclaimed to be Zerg,town aligned merger of threads, which could just as easily have been a mafia a role and fit in with the theme of being disliked, for merging threads. (Just an example, not casting particular suspicion towards CP)

[Spam Elemental]

Shady - Kant , Town (Male)
-It takes one less vote to lynch me for every two female roles.
-Cara claims that he did not leave his house on night 2, this goes along with his role.
SizzlingStapleCider - Jeremy Banks, Town (Male)
-If lynched, all night roles except the mafia's are blocked.
-He roleclaimed first, and has said nothing to make me think he's a liar.
Shadow – Zindaras, Town (Female)
-Town Aligned Cop! There's one in every game! Funny thing is, though: you're a doctor! WOAH!
-Naga said he was town before he died, so I think he is probably telling the truth.
Spam Elemental - Fonzy, Town (Male)
-Each night, chose another player. If that player has a female role, both you and your target are protected for that night
Protected SSC on the first night.
Protected mrs_bun on the second night.
Protected Carados on the third night.
-That's me, and I would never lie.
Carados - Cara+dos (Male and female)
-Can get gender and house leaving status for any given character.
Day 1: Kant. Male. Left house.
Day 2: Shady. Male. Did not leave house.
Day 3: Day 3: Mr. Russian name is Male and did not leave his house.
-The information he provided from his role fits the game, making me think he's telling the truth.
Regret - The Guy, Town (Male)
-I have an ability that I can't control, only happens once, and doesn't seem very useful anyway.
Did not reveal his role fully, his role is a lot like 2 others who roleclaimed before him, looks fishy.
Purple Shrimp
-Has said nothing and done nothing all game, not really enough information to make any guesses.
GelbSol - PariahKing, Town (Male)
I too have a one-time use role, which I shall not disclose at this point for the same reason.
-Did not reveal his role fully, his role is a lot like Cee Pee's, who roleclaimed before him, looks fishy.
jimbyob
-Has said nothing about his role, and has said very little in total, looks suspicious.
Cee Pee - Zerg0nator, Town (Male)
-I haven't activated my one-time role yet. While the fact that I'm not telling what it is might sound suspicious right now, I can only really say that the role isn't as super as you might think. It may come to use once. I don't really want to let the mafia know it, because they might screw it up.
-Did not reveal his role fully, but other than that has done nothing scumy.
Яков ПохисDid not roleclaim, but also did not leave his house(according to cara) so he probably has no night role.

[Shadow]

Okay, I'm thinking just from what has been done is that jim and purple are mafia. I can't really work out the math but can we hypothetically ban wagon vote until we get mafia? purpleshrimp or jimbyob might have a role that doesn't allow them to speak unless certain conditions are met but I'm not sure. I've got a sneaking feeling that one or both of them are mafia. I'd ask them to come and comment but they obviously will not.

[Regret]

-Did not reveal his role fully, his role is a lot like Cee Pee's, who roleclaimed before him, looks fishy.

.

I did reveal my role fully as I just said. Did CP reveal his role?

[Shadow]

I suppose that there is disparity, possibly, in what SE has posted but it doesn't change the fact that he's completely right about purple shrimp and jim byob.

If we can't get anything before deadline I'd suggest we pick one of them.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I'm very willing to agree with Shadow, since it seems fairly certain he's town and has no bias.

[Shadow]

Since Van did explain my role I don't know if I'm a doctor or a cop but I've been using it as a doctor.

I protected myself night one, protected bun night two, and last night I was either drunk when I sent the PM meaning I can't remember or I completely forgot in general.

[Regret]

Hmm, well, Jimybob did say "I thought it was still night" after missing, was it a whole day? Certainly a long period of time. I would think one would make more of an effort to be up to date on the status of a mafia game but perhaps he didn't have much time on the forum anyway. Has purple shrimp said anything?

[Shadow]

Hmm, well, Jimybob did say "I thought it was still night" after missing, was it a whole day? Certainly a long period of time. I would think one would make more of an effort to be up to date on the status of a mafia game but perhaps he didn't have much time on the forum anyway. Has purple shrimp said anything?

Purpleshrimp has been on because of Diplomacy and because I hunt the "now online" thing. I did this during when we lynched bun as well.

jimbyob said something about being away IIRC as well as I think it's still night. But I feel like these are just cop outs and really poor attempts to get us to believe him.

[Spam Elemental]

I did reveal my role fully as I just said. Did CP reveal his role?All I have about you is you saying "-I have an ability that I can't control, only happens once, and doesn't seem very useful anyway." Does that mean you don't know what that ability does, or did you tell us that at some other point that I did not see?

[Spam Elemental]

last night I was either drunk when I sent the PM meaning I can't remember or I completely forgot in general. You can check your sent messages.

[Shadow]

Hmm, well, Jimybob did say "I thought it was still night" after missing, was it a whole day? Certainly a long period of time. I would think one would make more of an effort to be up to date on the status of a mafia game but perhaps he didn't have much time on the forum anyway. Has purple shrimp said anything?

Is there any problem with just claiming again?

[Shadow]

You can check your sent messages.

I have a lot to sift through but for the sake of this game I will.

[Shadow]

Just checked, I didn't send one. Something very absent minded of myself.

[Spam Elemental]

I suppose that there is disparity, possibly, in what SE has posted but it doesn't change the fact that he's completely right about purple shrimp and jim byob.

If we can't get anything before deadline I'd suggest we pick one of them.I agree.

[Spam Elemental]

jimbyob has said about 1 thing all game that was at all relevant, and it was defending Bun on day 3. I think that counts for something. Fos: Jimbyob

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Works for me.

[LegendShark]

Were you looking for the expose yourself thread? :huh:

Yeah sorry.

[Regret]

All I have about you is you saying "-I have an ability that I can't control, only happens once, and doesn't seem very useful anyway." Does that mean you don't know what that ability does, or did you tell us that at some other point that I did not see?
Just checked my post history and you're right. Its funny, I was convinced I had said it, I think perhaps I meant to put it in another post and never did.

Anyway, when I'm lynched (not killed in the night) female roles don't work the following night.

[Spam Elemental]

I have a suggestion. Since it looks like there is quite possibly a Vig, would it not make sense to request that they kill someone for us in the night? If they listen it will essentially act as a second lynch, without the Vig ever needing to reveal who they are. This would be very applicable in our current situation where we are trying to decide between two people. Whatever one does not get lynched can get killed in the night. This is assuming people like the idea of killing jimbyob and Purple Shirmp.

[Spam Elemental]

Shadow, how about we do this on night 4; I target you so we are both protected and you can target cara since he has the most useful ability.

[Shadow]

S_E, I like your plan but Shady brings up a really good point. We have no idea why those other two are posting, we should use it as a last resort. Lets try to dig stuff on people that have been posting to try to make an informed lynch.

[Shadow]

Jimbyob did defend bun which is in a very small way very vaguely scummy. He might be a good use of our lynch considering he's really the only mildly scummy person and it's not a huge loss if he dies anyway.

Good point. If he is town he has contributed nothing and if he's mafia then good for us.

[Cara]

sounds like a plan

[Spam Elemental]

Vote: Jimbyob

[Shadow]

Vote: Jimbyob

[Regret]

Vote: Jimbyob

[Purple_Shrimp]

This is a good idea.
Vote: Jimbyob

[Cee Pee]

@Whomever asked this: you can get a breakdown of posters and their amount of posts in this thread by clicking the number in the replies column.

Other than that, I guess I can't really find anything to disagree with this, except for the possibility that the mafia would be active. Then again, jimbyob might as well be active but just not in the thread. Well, Vote: jimbyob and we'll see.

[Spam Elemental]

This is a good idea.
Vote: JimbyobYou show up to post that, and then nothing else? If there is a Vig, I suggest you kill shrimp.

[jok3r]

Vote: Jimbyob

[Cara]

It's probably more complicated than that. If Jimbyob is town, then Purple Shrimp is a good choice, but if Jimbyob is mafia it becomes significantly more difficult to choose who to kill.

If Jimbyob is mafia, we have won.

[Cara]

But yeah Deadline vote: Jimbyob

[Cee Pee]

If Jimbyob is mafia, we have won.
Unless when there's an SK, right? SK is self aligned and still needs to be lynched before the town's win condition is met.
You show up to post that, and then nothing else?
Note that PS did post a bit ago, saying he didn't have as much internets to allow reading or posting much. I do have a strong suspicion on him, and I won't disagree on the hypothetical of "If jimbyob is town, vig kills PS". I can't foretell what will happen, though.

It does seem like there won't be a next day, but it all depends on the amount of mafiates still in the game (though more than one seems pretty overwhelming – that'd be, like, five mafiates in total? Still, it's possible, about one quarter), and the precense of a vig or SK, or both.

[Cara]

Unless when there's an SK, right? SK is self aligned and still needs to be lynched before the town's win condition is met.

Me and SE are invincible. In addition, shadow can protect himself.

[Cee Pee]

How is that related to the possibility of an SK existing? Okay, the SK won't be able to kill everyone during the subsequent nights (he'd start on those that aren't protected, though), but the game would go on until we lynch them or ourselves. So sadly, it doesn't mean we have won yet. That is, if there's an SK.

[Cara]

He can't kill us. Worst comes to worst, it would just be us three against him, and we know who we are.

[Shadow]

I think it's more likely that there is a vig because there was only one death last night. The vig was probably not killing somebody because of the fear of hitting town by mistake.

[Cee Pee]

He can't kill us. Worst comes to worst, it would just be us three against him, and we know who we are.
I guess you're right, then. Dunno what Van would do in such case.
I think it's more likely that there is a vig because there was only one death last night. The vig was probably not killing somebody because of the fear of hitting town by mistake.
Except that there were two hits last night, not one.

[Shadow]

Oh, man. I'm not doing a very good job keeping up with this thread. =/

Sorry, I'll reread the past day.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I guess you're right, then. Dunno what Van would do in such case.
Let the towns lynch the SK, probably. It's pretty straightforward.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Oh, and Vote: jimbyob

[SizzlingStapleCider]

It was 7 to lynch, and we have 9 for jimbyob. I guess it's night as soon as Van reads the thread.

[Van]

The silent jimbyob was brought up to the gallows and unceremoniously hanged. He was Zerg0nator, Town Aligned Bandwagoner

it is now Night 4. PM me your roles.

[Cara]

Thread is unlocked.

[Shadow]

Because Van requested it and then didn't post anything.

[Cara]

... why was this unlocked?

Van requested it while I was making a resume.

[Cara]

:mad:

We'll have a night post before in less then 24 hours, I promise you.

[Shadow]

This mafia can't be shitted up worse than it already is.

[Van]

My computer is broken again. Happened sometime right after I requested the thread be opened. Also, I don't why this happens but so often I request it be opened to a mod only to have them decide to log out immediately afterwards :V

During the night, Regret was brutally murdered in his sleep. He was The Guy, Town Aligned Idol of Manliness.

Not far from his house, Purple_Shrimp was found dead in the street. He was GoldenSun, Mafia Aligned What's-His-Face

The town is still in danger, but who else could there be?

It is now Day 5. With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

I may have counted wrong. I need a serious update of the OP :V

[Spam Elemental]

I think this means we probably do have a Vig, since Purple shrimp was killed.

[Spam Elemental]

Ok, this seems easy now, there are only really two people left. Cee Pee and GelbSol. Cee Pee said he was Zerg0nator, but we just found out that jimbyobb was Zerg0nator, so we should probably vote for him, and let the Vig kill Gelbsol at night if needed.

[Spam Elemental]

I see no reason to wait.
Vote: Cee Pee

[Cee Pee]

So you may be wondering why I fake claimed, and why I'm not dead yet. My actual role is Clone, Town Aligned Vorarephile. Each night, I'm allowed to kill someone. There is a 50% chance that I eat the person I choose to kill. I cannot control that ability. I am also not made aware the role or alignment of the person I eat. I swipe their houses clean in order to cover up my tracks. After being done with my activities, I drop the body in a trash can outside their house.

First night, I killed LegendShark. Second night, I chose to kill Jeremy. Third night was Naga and this night I killed Purple_Shrimp.

I'm aware that the mafia will proably kill me next night, but I guess that'll help to buy time until we do find the SK (rather unlikely, as there are still just two deaths a day each night) or the remaining mafiate.

[Cee Pee]

I see no reason to wait.
Vote: Cee Pee
How about wait for me to post? You're unnecessarily speeding up the game. FoS: Spam Elemental.

[Cee Pee]

This is why I refrained from voting for you but... why would you lie? I mean obviously being the 'vig' would make you a lucrative target, but why would you lie about who you were? That's ... stupidly risky, why wouldn't you just make something up about Clone's role instead of what he actually did?
Because everyone would have said "Oh, but that wouldn't be fitting for Clone, wait, wasn't Clone that vore guy, doesn't that fit with the hidden identity thing?" True, Zerg wasn't the best choice for this, but I didn't want to further delay a role claim in trying to figure out a less scummy one.
It's still extremely suspicious but it does explain how you're alive...
I can understand that. I guess the best thing to do right now is to wait until others have more information about their night results.

[Spam Elemental]

How about wait for me to post? You're unnecessarily speeding up the game. FoS: Spam Elemental.:stare:

[Cara]

So, uhh, yeah, 5 dead mafias and leaves one person killing and he claims vig.

Ha, ha.

[Cee Pee]

Except that there are still two kills this night? So there could still be both SK and vig, however the unlikelyness. Or do you mean there's a sixth mafiate?

I guess there is no evidence that rules me out as the SK. :/

Ok, this seems easy now, there are only really two people left. Cee Pee and GelbSol.
I don't really get this. The current players are: SE, Cara, Shadow, Shady, Joker, SSC, CP, and GS. I know the first four's roles are basically confirmed, and Joker didn't leave his house so he's probably innocent as well. But I don't see SSC as being cleared in any way yet, unless I'm missing something. I'm not saying that we should lynch him today, just saying that if I die and I'm not the SK (and the game thus goes on), you should go after him. I'm neutral towards GS, so do whatever you want with him.

Cara, who did you investigate this night, if I may ask?

[Purple_Shrimp]

D:

[Spam Elemental]

Ok guys, let's kill Cee Pee now. We gave him a chance and he just said a bunch of moronic excuses that make no sense.

[Spam Elemental]

Except that there are still two kills this night? So there could still be both SK and vig, however the unlikelyness. Or do you mean there's a sixth mafiate?
There were two night kills because purple shrimp did one and you did one..... Also, we already have a Vig (shadow), there would not be a second (you).

[Shadow]

Vote: Cee Pee

[Shadow]

Uh, I'm not the vig, smartass. I'm a faux doctor thing.

[Spam Elemental]

I know the first four's roles are basically confirmed, and Joker didn't leave his house so he's probably innocent as well. But I don't see SSC as being cleared in any way yet, unless I'm missing something. I'm not saying that we should lynch him today, Uh, ok, this is a dumb idea. It looks to me like you're trying to turn your attention to SSC so we will lynch him and then you can kill me or shadow in the night. (SSC's ability that triggers when he lynched) Why would we even consider doing that when we almost know for sure there is only one killer left, and you admitted to being him.

On another note, it would be nice cara if you could tell us what you figured out with your ability.

[Spam Elemental]

Uh, I'm not the vig, smartass. I'm a faux doctor thing.You told us that your role could work as a cop or a doctor. Unless I misunderstood, that would mean you can act as a vig if you want.

[Shadow]

You told us that your role could work as a cop or a doctor. Unless I misunderstood, that would mean you can act as a vig if you want.

Well, Van told me that I can't actually investigate like yesterday so I can't investigate.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

No wonder he was always up my ass, making no sense.

Vote: Cee Pee

Well, Van told me that I can't actually investigate like yesterday so I can't investigate.

And he said you can't kill? Why call you a cop if you can only do a doctor's work?

[jok3r]

With at least 4 mafiates gone, the biggest danger I can conclude right now is the same as everyone else... vote: cee pee. heh, pee.

[Cara]

Any tips on who to investigate tonight?

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Any tips on who to investigate tonight?

You still haven't told us who you investigated last night. I would suggest investigating me tonight, so that people don't try lynching me and having a negative side effect. Either that, or GS. Although, I think CP's death will end the game, so w/e.

[Cara]

I investigated Purple Shrimp. He left his house. And died a terrible terrible death.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

So you may be wondering why I fake claimed, and why I'm not dead yet. My actual role is Clone, Town Aligned Vorarephile. Each night, I'm allowed to kill someone. There is a 50% chance that I eat the person I choose to kill. I cannot control that ability. I am also not made aware the role or alignment of the person I eat. I swipe their houses clean in order to cover up my tracks. After being done with my activities, I drop the body in a trash can outside their house.

This doesn't even make sense:

LegendShark was found in a trashcan behind his house. His skin was hanging limply from his bone, the meaty muscles all but beaten to a pulp by an unknown horror.

...

The Sourcians stood about, huddling over makeshift fires while sipping coffee and dropping acid. The results were just as gruesome as last night. Jeremy Banks was found with his intestines in a Gordian knot several feet from his hallowed out shell. Dental molds matched the body to ShadyPhoenix, Town-Aligned Fatman Sombrero.

...

Naga was found dead in his house. His home was completely swept clean like LegendShark's.

No eating. Just gruesome deaths. You really suck at this, CP.

[Cara]

Could have killed LS and Naga.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Could have killed LS and Naga.

He says there's a 50% chance he eats the person when he kills them, and that their identities are hidden when he does this. The bodies were never eaten.

[Cee Pee]

You guys suck. A lot. You say I only make excuses when all you do is make rants based on nothing.

My point in "shifting attention to SSC" is that, by my guess, he'll be the SK if there is one. I might not be able to convince you right now because you're a moronic lynch mob, but think about it again when you haven't won. Again, I don't know if there actually is an SK, and if you win today. But it looks like there is, I cannot find any other explanation.

No eating. Just gruesome deaths. You really suck at this, CP.
Trash can. Skin hanging limply. Van can't add too many pieces of evidence of vore as it'll point to Clone. But the hinbts are there. Yes, my claim is fake yet again because you can't even read. Thanks for playing. Vote: Cee Pee.

[Cee Pee]

Anyhow, no harsh thoughts because I may or may not have been the one you're looking for to kill in order to win the game. It's better to get this game at its end now because it's been quite useless to begin with. No disrespect at Van, it was quite a nice game setup, but I guess the game took a wrong turn somewhere.

And no, Clone is not my real role either, though it was the best I could do to make sense. I guess you'll find out more sooner than later anyway.

[Cee Pee]

When I made the claim of Zerg, I was kind of rash. I considered the possibility of someone being the actual Zerg, but I hoped that they would either be dead with hidden role, or someone who wouldn't want to be discovered and killed, like a vig. Looking back, there were tons of other roles I could have claimed but didn't.

I was dead set at finding the vig/SK the moment I saw there were two kills. Various contemplations have failed. Indeed I was always unhappy to find that I killed yet another innocent person. I usually went for semi-lurkers, but I held an open mind and used whatever evidence I could find. Last night I went for regret because out of the two other one-role claims, his looked the least possible. This was based on the facts that 1) there already was a manly role (SE – Fonzy), 2) regret stated he told his full role when he actually never did, and 3) was reasonably active but still lurking.

I considered others. Joker wasn't the vig because he didn't leave his house and I believe Cara. Shady didn't. I guessed SE's role would be real as well. I had my doubts about Shadow's claim, but why would he fake claim such a role? That left me with SSC and GelbSol. GS's role made sense with bun's Founder name. I never saw any evidence that showed SSC as proven innocent, so I'm guessing he's the actual vig. In such case, you have won, because I am of course the last mafia. I tried to play with Cara's miscalculation, but I am actually the fifth mafia in this game, and the last one standing. So yes Shadow, there is a role of you. You'll find out soon enough.

If the game does go on, I will laugh.

[Shadow]

omg ominous death

[Cee Pee]

:V

Van should just kill me and this game. Was fun, all. Though it could probably have been better. >_>

[mrs_bun]

Spam elemental's avatar is so cuuuuute. ^_^

[Van]

CP threw himself into the noose and his neck snapped on the way down. Searching his house, you determine he was Shadow, Mafia Aligned Bastard Mod. In his basement, you find the remains and belongings of the unknown townies.

LegendShark was DMG, Town Aligned FABULOUS Poster

Naga was Jenius, Town Aligned Cyborg

Now it's Night 5. PM me roles and shit. Don't bother locking, let's just try to get this done with.

[Cee Pee]

Spam elemental's avatar is so cuuuuute. ^_^
inorite
Also, hahaha.[/deadpost at night]

[Van]

/tap foot

I'm still waiting on two more people to send in roles. :/

[Van]

Cara is dead muthafuckers! She was Carados, Town Aligned Genderqueer Twins

It is now Day 6. With 6 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

[Cara]

I don't get a role PM, do I?

[Spam Elemental]

Um....what? How did cara die? Who did you use your ability on shadow?

[Van]

I don't get a role PM, do I?

I mean, if you want it, sure. Not that it's gonna help much. :V

[LegendShark]

HAH I WAS REALLY TOWN ALL ALONG

FUCKED WITH YOU GUYS FOR A WHILE DER DIDN'T IT.

[jok3r]

thanks, van, for no longer giving a shit at all.

[Spam Elemental]

Vote GelbSol

[GelbSol]

Vote GelbSol

What the hell! Whats that based on?

[mrs_bun]

:rofl:

[Regret]

as long as we're dead posting....

are not Bun and CP some of the worst if not the worst mafia players?

[Shadow]

People who are dead go away. :stare:

[Cee Pee]

are not Bun and CP some of the worst if not the worst mafia players?
Well, I won't disagree that this game could have gone better, but I wouldn't say the town is as super awesome as you would like to think.
People who are dead go away. :stare:
:V

[jimbyob]

I'm to lazy to check, have I been modkilled yet?

[Spam Elemental]

What the hell! Whats that based on?I don't think I should need to explain, everyone else in the game has roleclaimed, has evidence to support them being town, or both.

[Van]

I'm to lazy to check, have I been modkilled yet?

No.

You want to?

[jimbyob]

Nah, I guess I'll re-read, I really need to bookmark this page or something cause last time I forgot to post.

EDIT: Oh I was lynched already never mind

[GelbSol]

I rc as PK and the only reason I didnt say my role is bc its freaking useless!

[Shadow]

Why don't you put down what your role exactly does instead of going "lolz it's useless" over and over again.

[Spam Elemental]

Um....what? How did cara die? Who did you use your ability on shadow?

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I like the idea of lynching GS. But I'd like to hear Shadow's response.

[Shadow]

I was really busy at the time so I was like the last person to send in a role PM and I had about three seconds to do it. I had thought that S_E said he was going to protect Cara so I just did myself. Yeah, it was a bad idea but I really had absolutely no time to go back and read it. It's my fault.

[Shadow]

I think somebody investigated me.

If you think I am scum just lynch me. I don't care about this game anymore.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Shadow was proved innocent by either the late Cara or Naga, who were town.

My vote's on GS. Vote: GelbSol

[Shadow]

Vote:GS

[Spam Elemental]

whatever

vote: goldensunDid you mean to vote for GelbSol?

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I think we all know LS meant GelbSol, so let's get onto the night!

[Van]

GelbSol is brought to the gallows. A hush falls over the crowd as a sudden darkness encroaches. The air is heavy, still, and silent. Somewhere, a dog barked.

GelbSol erupts in a fit of madness. "Insulent pests!" he howled, eyes of vengeful fire. "You dared to disobey me, and thought exile would save you? You cost me my power, my pride! I shall hunt you down until my last remaining bre-HHNGK!"

GelbSol's choked slowly in the noose. The fire in his eyes faded and his body became limp.

He was WizO_Sith, Self-Aligned Bastard Mod.

The Town Wins!

I would post my design file (lol yes I had one :V), but it's currently on my laptop that's being repaired, so feel free to share your roles and shit.

[Cara]

I did what I said I did.

[Van]

asshole

Come on Shady, at least try to insult me in a way other than the one I tell you to. :V

[Naga]

You assholes killed me.

Dicks.

[mrs_bun]

I had to post more than everyone in the mafia thread every day. :V

[GelbSol]

You are WizO_Sith, Self Aligned Asshole Mod.
The Source, WoodenMarble...whatever they call themselves, you are committed to wiping out each and every user who had the gall to disgrace the Rec-Room with this...”leet speak”..and meme humor. Although no longer in power at WotC, your thirst for vengeance drove you to follow the vile creatures to their home, and intend to exterminate every single one.

When investigated, you turn up as PariahKing, Town Aligned Founder; a perfect disguise. Each night, you target a player to kill. You survive your first mafia hit. You also have a very special one-shot ability: “:click:.” When you post this, the day immediately ends and the person with the highest vote count is executed immediately.

[mrs_bun]

And even though I did my power didn't work on two separate days. Van. :stare:

[Van]

I had to post more than everyone in the mafia thread every day. :V

You probably would have done that anyway. :V

[mrs_bun]

Hay!

Still.

[Van]

And even though I did my power didn't work on two separate days. Van. :stare:

only failed once because of the Jenius role, which overpowered it.

Which was retconned into the game once I realized the town was seriously underpowered. Half the town roles were either vanilla or had punishments attached to them.

[mrs_bun]

How was town underpowered! :( Cara and Shadow and Spam Elemental had awesome abilities, at least.

[Van]

How was town underpowered! :( Cara and Shadow and Spam Elemental had awesome abilities, at least.
Fountain Watch abilities are historically underpowered.

Having two doctors was a mistake, though. :V

[Cara]

Yeah I looked at my PM and I realized I was a shitty cop and I was fucked.

[mrs_bun]

Also a mistake was doing no research on wooden marble at all, sheesh. :P

It was fun tho, not as bad as everyone made out.

[jok3r]

You are Van/(VA/CVille)_Ninja, Town-Aligned Fucking Furry.
During Night 1, target a player of your choice. You and that player form a mason. If you target a player who is of different alignment, you win the game if that player would win. If you win the game, your mason also wins the game.
You may speak freely with your mason outside of the thread. If one mason dies, the other dies as well. If you targeted a mafia or cult-aligned player, that player may not reveal any information about your masonry to others of his alignment, and you may not speak with members of that alignment.

Note: I confused the hell out of PK when I ran this role by him, so if you have any technical questions please ask before you do something worth a modkill.

The reason I didn't roll claim... Also, thanks to Cara, I didn't really have to.

My fuckbuddy was Shady, btw.

[mrs_bun]

My main problem was that I tried like 3 ideas at once in the same day and was in a weird mood when the last day rolled around and so I didn't really try to think of a way out, I was just like "omg fine just lynch me god :(" :rolleyes:

[jok3r]

So he pretty much picked the worst possible person.

We both won.

[jok3r]

THROUGH NO FAULT OF OUR OWN

lol

[Cara]

I would have been worse.

[Cara]

Well, I never check my PMs and I don't have any instant messanger.

[Naga]

I was a vanilla townie until I got a cop role, so on the first or second day, when I told Shady I didn't have a role, I wasn't lying. I was worried about being called out on that, but it never came up.

[Cee Pee]

The mafia consists of:

mrs_bun - mrs_bun, Mafia Aligned WM Founder
Congratulations, you're the Mafia Don! You are in charge of submitting the night hit for the mafia. Choose a mafiate, including yourself, to perform the hit. If you die, the mafia will elect a new person to submit the hit.

You must keep up with your exponentially increasing post count. If you have the highest number of posts at the end of the day, you show up innocent in all investigations the following night and all other abilities that target you fail. If you have the lowest post count, you die at the end of the day.
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Dullahan - Rikku, Mafia Aligned Sanity Destroyer
Your mastery of the English language drives normal men to the brink of insanity. Once during the game, you can choose any player and completely nullify any abilities their role might have for the rest of the game. However, if that player has no special ability, you will die.
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Cee Pee - Shadow, Mafia Aligned Moderator
All the power has gone to your head, and you obscure the truth and deal in cover-ups and lies. The first time you are chosen to deliver the hit, that player's role and alignment will not be revealed to the public. This ability 'recharges' when two other mafiates die or when the Don dies. When you are killed, all the hidden alignments are revealed.
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Purple Shrimp - GoldenSun, Mafia Aligned What's-His-Face
Congratulations! You're generic scum!
It's a shame that two of the mafiates were pretty much lurking through the first half of the game. To be honest, I don't really know bun's reasoning behind lynching Guile. Well, I do – to look less scummy while not losing much – but I don't know why she did it that way.

Other than that, no, I don't think the town was underpowered. There were, like, two or three cops (and one cop-like role), one doctor and a sex doctor. The whole SE thing wouldn't be killable, because his role made sense with Cara's, people wouldn't want to lynch him, and he wasn't killable himself. I don't get why he didn't sex Cara last day, though. The oother choice would be Shadow, who might as well protect herself. :V

Anyhow, lol, guess I fooled you. Though it didn't work. :V Though, in all seriousness, the SK was either GS or SSC, and GS would have been my second choice after regret. But I never got my second choice. I should've taken in account in the first place that GS asked some questions about vigs/SKs pretty much in the open, though they might just have been newbie questions.

I was laughing in real life when GS successfuully killed Cara, because I realized it could go either way that moment. Though there was still this SE/Shadow thing, messups like these could still happen if GS would've claimed to be female. I mean, he already claimed PK, and chances were slim, but technically, GS could still have won.

I realized there was at least something culty when Joker simply banwagon voted like every day. :V

In conclusion, I want to say that the town wasn't very good at playing. Rather, mafia was disrupted because of the combined consequences of lurking mafiates, my problems in convincing bun what to do, and the town's general bandwagonness. Usually, the reasoning for lynching someone was unfounded, and more in the sense of "if we lynch them, we'll find out whether this/that claim is right." As mafia, it was useless to disagree with this, but at least I used hypotheticals to justify my votes. Sometimes, the town decided so quickly on who to lynch that I didn't even have the time to look at the thread before the victim was lynched.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

You're saying town played badly when bun was the biggest screw-up of them all? :P

[Cee Pee]

You're saying town played badly when bun was the biggest screw-up of them all? :P
Well, I'm more like saying that the town wasn't very good, but not bad either. I realize bun screwed up badly. (And by extent, I did as well.)

[GelbSol]

I thought I did pretty well for my first mafia. I figured a few things out, wasnt lynched til the end, although that was helped along by Bun and CP lol.

[Naga]

In terms of lurkers, we had at least 10 active players. That's enough for a small mafia.

[Cee Pee]

Day 1. Random lynch time. LS almost get lynched, tries to distract the town, and succeeds. Town almost lynches K-Scope who then gets replaced/modkilled. Town death.

Night 1. I kill LS, who later turns out to be town (obv). GS kills Keeper. Two towns down.

Day 2. I demonize LS for the lulz, while hypothetizing on the vig/SK deal. bun draws attention by suspecting Guile. Finally, bandwagon starts and Guile gets lynched. Mafia death.

Night 2. We decide to kill Jeremy Banks (after some discussion on who I wanted to kill). Settled for a semi-lurker because I didn't want to draw suspicion by killing someone that's suspecting me. JB plays SK in relatively many previous mafias, I thought. :V GS kills Fluke. Two towns down.

Day 3. People suspicious of bun, people start doing "I suspect" lists. Things escalate a bit, role claims start appearing. Bun PMs me to vote SP as a last resort but I only get it when she's dead. :V Mafia death. This isn't something to be proud of; the evidence was handed to you.

Night 3. Both Naga (hit by me) and Kant (by GS) die. Kant is the mafia spy, Naga later turns up town.

Day 4. Initially, my fake claim seems to pay off; it's only later that day that people start suspecting it (but I attempt to shift attention to the other one-time claims). The whole "what if mafia can't lie" theory starts and gets shot down. I start being really suspicious of Regret, who claims to have fully claimed, even though he did not. Town decides to lynch Jimbyob, townie Zerg.

Night 4. After contemplation, I kill regret (but send PS to do it). PS get killed by GS.

Day 5. Emergency claim proves useless. I get lynched as mafia whatsoever.

Night 5. I laugh for being right on the SK part. GS, who I would have killed that night, kills Cara.

Day 6. The town lynches GS, and wins.
Oh well, much has been said, and this is it. :V

[Kant]

You are Naga, Mafia Aligned Spy!
As an undercover agent, you cannot communicate with fellow members of your mafia. Each night, you may investigate a player. When you have investigated all of the mafia, you join as a normal mafia member. If you investigate the Don before that point, the Don will then be able to send you 1 PM per night, but no other mafiate may communicate with you.


So I ended up investigating Bun on day 2, which meant that she could send me a message to me.

The message on day three

"Today the one without sin will cast the first stone"

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT SHIT?

And then I had to act scummy as fuck in order to protect her. Ironically I probably would have lived had I not found that bun was the don. But I liked the role I got, it meant that I was able to play in a far less scummy way because I too had no idea of who the mafia was.

But if you look at day 3 she basically named all of the mafia members after it was obvious she was going to be killed.

[LegendShark]

You are DMG, Town Aligned FABULOUS Poster!
Your total disinterest in the female sex leaves you immune to night actions done by female roles. You are town aligned and support medium sized penises :V

Didn't even fucking help.

[mrs_bun]

I feel the need to reemphasize the fact that bun got three mafia killed.

EDIT: This technically makes her town MVP.

WHeee! :V

I am highly irritated that my role did not seem to work. At all.

[Keeper]

This game would've been better if I hadn't gotten killed night one.

Like, objectively.

[GelbSol]

Yeah, about that...I RNG who I killed night one lol.