WoodenMarble Mafia - TOWN WINS! Feel free to call me an asshole!

[Tee See Em]

Woah game.

Woah lots of game.

Skimmed entire thread. SSC seems a little funny, but not outright scummy. S_E seems moreso for doing nothing but jumping on the bandwagon. CP doesn't really strike me as scum, at least not for any good reason. I dunno.

[jok3r]

Woah game.

Woah lots of game.

Skimmed entire thread. SSC seems a little funny, but not outright scummy. S_E seems moreso for doing nothing but jumping on the bandwagon. CP doesn't really strike me as scum, at least not for any good reason. I dunno.

Thoughts, then, on Naga's thoughts of bun? He is bringing up a good point.

I'm really FoS(ing): S_E, though.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I'm just thinking out loud. I think that Guile hasn't posted and Dullahan's role was saved right after Van modkilled someone we were about to lynch anyway, so why didn't he jsut kill him too? Because there are only a few mafia roles and he won't modkill mafia.

Finger me all you want, but I bet a million bucks Guile is scum, and my vote stays.
I was tolerant of your speculation until you said "I bet a million bucks Guile is scum." That's a really silly thing to say based on a weak reason. I'm willing to jump on a bandwagon.

[jok3r]

Finger me all you want

:rip::rip:

[mrs_bun]

I was tolerant of your speculation until you said "I bet a million bucks Guile is scum." That's a really silly thing to say based on a weak reason. I'm willing to jump on a bandwagon.

My reason is that it is the only thing resembling concrete evidence. It is kinda flimsy, but everything else is based off of opinion. I think Guile is scum, and I think everyone else is being their usual selves.

Also how am I at a handicap, Shady?

[mrs_bun]

While bun contradicted herself, she is playing at a handicap. And again, I don't think anyone here is actually this bad at mafia (goading SSC as much as I did didn't work :V).

On the other hand...

Please remember that I specifically also said I am sure that you are NOT scum, so thanks for the random insults.

[mrs_bun]

And I didn't contradict myself. I said that in general I think that it is a good move for mafia to vote for lurkers, however in this specific instance I think we should vote for Guile because ____.

[mrs_bun]

Well no one else is making any decisions, and I'd like for that to happen, so I'm pushing the thing that makes sense. And Guile STILL hasn't responded, which seems pretty scummy yo me. Absolute worst case scenario, we will have lynched a townie who wasn't even playing and then everyone call yell at me and call me stupid. No one is presenting any ideas, and this mafia is getting boring. It's to the point where I want to just roleclaim and wait for night so I can get whacked. In any case, I still think I'm right.

Also :rolleyes:/lol. Okay, I see. I still think you just want an excuse to finger me though.

[mrs_bun]

YELLINNING

Okay, fine. I will change my vote to Spam Elemental, and then when he turns out to be town will you agree to vote for Guile tomorrow?

unvote: Guile

vote: Spam Elemental

[Cee Pee]

There are a few main consequences what would happen if we lynch Guile, or any lurker that would be put in this position:


Guile ends up town. We will be very suspicious of bun next day, even though the suspicions will be based on "you voted a townie lurker so you might be scum because you may know that Guile was town", which isn't solid evidence. People are already suspicious of her for proposing to lynch lurkers, so this consequence is pretty obvious. At least as long as there's nothing exceptionally important that could change our attention, bun will be in the spotlight.
Guile's alignment isn't made known. In this case, it's kind of safe to assume both Guile and LS are mafia, and the mafia has a special yet broken role. I find this rather not happening as there are many more hypotheticals involving the alignment of LS that would make much more sense.
Guile is the SK (or vig). Probably won't happen because that wouldn't explain the second hit which he couldn't have done, since he's inactive since he was replaced.
Guile ends up mafia. Town will rejoice. People might wonder whether bun is a cop. I might seem suspicious for demonizing LS, which is more likely to be town, even though it can still be either way.

No conclusions or actions taken in this post, because I'm not sure what would make more sense; Guile being town or mafia. There isn't much to rely a vote on, other than possibly scummy posts, bun's conviction, and statistics, maybe. Remember that we have a day and some more hours. No hurries right now, but decision making will be in place.
(Metagaming: The day post doesn't state any a timezone or an ending time even, but I'm gonna assume it'll end, as day one did, at 8:00 pm in whatever timezone Van lives in.)

Fake edit: Fuck you I was making this post while bun changes votes. Well, at least I can skip making decisions on this matter and post more hypotheticals on the other. :V

[mrs_bun]

Based on my logic, if Guile ends up being town after we lynch him, then the best play tomorrow would be to lynch me.

[mrs_bun]

No hurry? So we sit here some more and get even more people uninterested in the game? Yay.

I'm voting for Spam Elemental because people seem more into voting for him. I still think SE is less scummy seeming than Guile, although I can kinda see the arguement for him being mafia--that being said, I don't really think SE is, I think he was jsut trying to hurry up the game.

[mrs_bun]

Cee Pee, reply faster, I have a class soon. :stare:

[Cee Pee]

No hurry? So we sit here some more and get even more people uninterested in the game? Yay.
That's not what I meant. I meant I was going to throw more hypotheticals at everyone and vote when (if) I draw a conclusion, or when SE admits he should get lynched for not being able to understand them. :V

In all seriousness, why would you bandwagon vote someone while thinking he's less scummy than somebody who never actually posted?

[Cee Pee]

Also, before anyone states "but they are overcomplicated and long", well, grow the fuck up and read. There has to be something to discuss, and things are only more inactive if nobody's posting anything.

Also also, FoS: bun for trying to find an excuse for lurking. :V

Also also also, Van: vote count plz?

[Cee Pee]

I have some possibilities on why she's acting this way (other than her being female and/or mafia), but I'm not going to give the mafia (if she is) suggestions on how to get away with it. I'm not voting until she responds to the above, or if she's really in lurker mode. I'll make my thoughts known after a complete explanation. My finger is still pointing.

[GelbSol]

I dont think we have enough information to make a solid vote atm. I will wait til CP posts his suspitions. Also, why did Van replace a lurker with a lurker?

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Fuck I hate this game. I was confused about my vote reading these posts, and then CP says bun might have her reasons which I conjured up myself, but will follow suit with CP.

Guile is tempting, after hearing CPs hypotheticals, since if he is mafia and this is shown, then it might help resolve what CP and I were discussing.
But then I realize I'm just voting for Guile because he could be mafia, which is actually a bad thing since it applies to anyone.

I'm not considering SE since he agreed with me :V and I think he's just acting for the same reason I am/was, which I am obviously not opposed to.

Bun is acting quite silly, claiming certainty where she shouldn't have any. Definitely more silly than I thought CP was acting, and so I'm definitely Unvoting: CP, and FoS: mrs_bun. See? New stuff has happened and my vote is gone. >_>

Unless bun can explain herself, I'm thinking her; otherwise, maybe Guile.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Oh, and I sort of agree with lynching a lurker, which adds to my maybe Guile.

[Naga]

I don't know, man. Bun DOES have a point, about Guile, and had she done it more tactfully and subtle, I would be more inclined to believe her. But no, she had to do it by contradicting herself, as per my previous posts.

So wait, why did bun vote for SE now? He voted for CP a while back it seems. A vote count would be very useful. I don't think someone voting like that, with no attempted logic would make someone scummy, it would just make them stupid. bun, on the other hand, supports her arguments with flawed logic, and her changing her vote makes me even more suspicious.

Would the mafia having their alignments hidden really be broken? This is irrelevant, but I'm just thinking about it. If all the mafia had hidden alignments, its pretty easy to find out who is who.

[Naga]

Fuck I hate this game. I was confused about my vote reading these posts, and then CP says bun might have her reasons which I conjured up myself, but will follow suit with CP.

Guile is tempting, after hearing CPs hypotheticals, since if he is mafia and this is shown, then it might help resolve what CP and I were discussing.
But then I realize I'm just voting for Guile because he could be mafia, which is actually a bad thing since it applies to anyone.

I'm not considering SE since he agreed with me :V and I think he's just acting for the same reason I am/was, which I am obviously not opposed to.

Bun is acting quite silly, claiming certainty where she shouldn't have any. Definitely more silly than I thought CP was acting, and so I'm definitely Unvoting: CP, and FoS: mrs_bun. See? New stuff has happened and my vote is gone. >_>

Unless bun can explain herself, I'm thinking her; otherwise, maybe Guile.

I'm not opposed to lynching a lurker. Guile sounds like as fine a target as any, just bun's reasoning was so deeply flawed that it makes me more suspicious of her than Guile. Besides, Guile hasn't showed up anywhere on the boards since before he was replaced, so he is not lurking because of his role.

[GelbSol]

What if the mafia can hide the identity of their victim? Or of just one person, town or mafia, they could hide a townie identity just to make us think that the town got a mafia.

[mrs_bun]

I'm not saying Guile is lurking because of his role. I'm saying I think he is scum because of the way van brought him in, and I think that voting for him doesn't hurt even if he is town because all he does is lurk.

I switched to Spam Elemental because someone made points for it, and even though I disagree with those points, I want this game to go before everyone loses interest, which several have already said is happening (including people who are participating.)

If everyone wants to vote for me, that's fine, because like I said, I want this game to move along.

I don't think Spam Elemental is as scummy as Guile, so I am switching my vote bacl.

unvote: Spam Elemental

vote: Guile

If I do end up getting lynched, I think everyone should vote for Guile tomorrow over Spam Elemental, because he is more suspicious. This applies even (or especially) if Van replaces Guile, because that makes it even more likely he is scum, imo.

[Naga]

I'm not saying Guile is lurking because of his role. I'm saying I think he is scum because of the way van brought him in, and I think that voting for him doesn't hurt even if he is town because all he does is lurk.

I switched to Spam Elemental because someone made points for it, and even though I disagree with those points, I want this game to go before everyone loses interest, which several have already said is happening (including people who are participating.)

If everyone wants to vote for me, that's fine, because like I said, I want this game to move along.

I don't think Spam Elemental is as scummy as Guile, so I am switching my vote bacl.

unvote: Spam Elemental

vote: Guile

If I do end up getting lynched, I think everyone should vote for Guile tomorrow over Spam Elemental, because he is more suspicious. This applies even (or especially) if Van replaces Guile, because that makes it even more likely he is scum, imo.

If you were positive that Guile was scum, why would you even consider voting for anyone else? It doesn't make any sense. "for the good of the game" is less important than "for the good of the town". Even if the game could die to inactivity, you would be leading the town to death because you are leaving a mafia member alive.

You are all over the place bun, make up your mind. Your story is getting less and less credible.

[mrs_bun]

I thought that since there had been some halfway decent argument for SE being scummy and someone had already voted for him, that I should go ahead and switch my vote, but then I realized that I really thought Guile was scum, so I switched back to him.

Also, sorry I'm so not credible. I will vote for myself if people want to hop on this bandwagon just so we can get this over with. No one is making any progress. I want to play a game of mafia, and most people seem to not be interested in this. So please wow me with your thoughts on this since mine are so retarded. Vote for someone, or at least say who you think it is. We aren't going to get anymore info. Unless someone wants to do a roleclaim this early, which I think is a bad idea but I'm but for if everyone wants.

But you can't argue with my logic on Guile. Van replaced him when he didn't need to and kept him alive after modkilling a townie, so I think Guile is mafia (also I'm the queen of the mafia and I totally remember seeing him at our last meeting.)

I am almost totally sure Guile is scum, and I have zero evidence on anyone else, so I am voting for Guile. I realize the evidence seems flimsy, but I have a good feeling about it, no evidence to counter it, and no real evidence on anyone else. I think everyone else should vote for Guile too, and then if he is not scum you can vote for me and everyone will be super happy when town goes to hell in three days, surely a record for a 20 person mafia.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

But you can't argue with my logic on Guile. Van replaced him when he didn't need to and kept him alive after modkilling a townie, so I think Guile is mafia
It's very easy to argue with that, actually. He could have a creative/interesting town role (as likely), or maybe Van just wanted him replaced for the sake of a more active game (not as likely).
(also I'm the queen of the mafia and I totally remember seeing him at our last meeting.)
...

I want to vote for you right now, but I'm going to wait for someone else to say something to make sure I'm not crazy.

[GelbSol]

She has been loose with her words, with the excuse of wanting to move the game on, a very "mafia" thing to do IIRC.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Actually, no. Vote: mrs_bun

You're incredibly suspicious as is, and if this is how you're going to be playing for the duration of the game, then I think we're better off without you...

[mrs_bun]

If you think that's a mafia thing to do, fine. What I like to do is actually participate in games I'm allegedly playing, and yall know I like posting a lot. This game is retardedly slow. Also lol @ "retardedly slow."

And SSC, are you really that special? :rolleyes:

[mrs_bun]

Actually, no. Vote: mrs_bun

You're incredibly suspicious as is, and if this is how you're going to be playing for the duration of the game, then I think we're better off without you...

If me trying to get the game going faster is scummy, then that's retarded.

We have a few teensy pieces of evidence, and we aren't going to get anymore, so I'm making an informed vote based off of that.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

I don't know what to say anymore.

[Naga]

It's very easy to argue with that, actually. He could have a creative/interesting town role (as likely), or maybe Van just wanted him replaced for the sake of a more active game (not as likely).

...

I want to vote for you right now, but I'm going to wait for someone else to say something to make sure I'm not crazy.

She's joking.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

It's not a very good joke.

[mrs_bun]

Vote for me then, when I get lynched, please remember what I said and vote for Guile. Or vote for Guile. Really either is fine, I just think doing Guile will save the town a lot of grief. Or I guess vote for someone totally random. I think if you vote for me it will be quicker, since Shady seems to support that and possibly Golden Sun, too, but apparently trying to make the game go quickly is scummy, so lol.

So, in case I wake up lynched tomorrow, here are my thoughts:

1. Guile is cummy
2. Shady is not
3. SSC is not

Those are the things I'm pretty sure of. So if you are town and I get lynched and can't talk anymore, please compare these things to the things people say in the thread.

[Naga]

It's not a very good joke.

No, its not.

Besides, there are no queens in the mafia. It's a don!

[Van]

Official Vote Count
mrs_bun: 2 (Shady, SSC)
Guile: 1 (mrs_bun)
CP: 1 (Spam_Elemental)

Not Voting: Everyone else :V

There were not that many votes, just a hell of a lot of FoSing going on.

[mrs_bun]

Like what?

[Shadow]

Seriously? No one has a night role that shatters everyone's preconceptions?

I'm not trying to defend bun here but possibly her night role lets her know that Guile is scum. This could be a reason why she's fighting so hard to get him lynched. I don't really see a reason why she would try so hard to get him lynched because it does come off as suspicious. Lets say we lynch Guile. If he turns out to be town we lynch bun.

Dealing with hypothetical here.

[mrs_bun]

I don't have any kind of special "I know Guile is scum" power, just to be clear. I just really feel like he is.

[Spam Elemental]

That's not what I meant. I meant I was going to throw more hypotheticals at everyone and vote when (if) I draw a conclusion, or when SE admits he should get lynched for not being able to understand them. :VI understood them fine, I just thought they were stupid.

[Naga]

Anything. At all. That gives us something to go on. Anyone?

I would claim, but I have nothing.

[mrs_bun]

Yay.

The more I think about it, the more I think Spam Elemental is not scummy.

[mrs_bun]

Also, is it possible to get to the deadline without lynching someone? Or will that just be the end of the day with no lynch?

[Naga]

Also, is it possible to get to the deadline without lynching someone? Or will that just be the end of the day with no lynch?

A no lynch is horrible for the town. It basically equates to us losing possibly two townies with no mafia dead.

However, a wrong lynch is even worse.

[mrs_bun]

How do we possibly lose two? Does Van pick one of us to die?

Also, in that case, how is a wrong lynch worse?

[Shadow]

How do we possibly lose two? Does Van pick one of us to die?

Also, in that case, how is a wrong lynch worse?

Mafia and SK.

[Cara]

A no lynch is horrible for the town. It basically equates to us losing possibly two townies with no mafia dead.

However, a wrong lynch is even worse.

So, lynch the mafia? Startling advances in Mafia theory here!

[Naga]

How do we possibly lose two? Does Van pick one of us to die?

Also, in that case, how is a wrong lynch worse?

Serial killer and mafia hit in the night, although serial killer might hit scum, too.

[mrs_bun]

Oh okay.

FAKE EDIT: @ Shadow

So, vote for Guile. Or vote for me. Those are the only two logical choices. Voting for me is faster because I think everyone will be happier to bandwagon it faster, but I think Guile is a smarter vote.

[mrs_bun]

So, this is going to be a no lynch, it looks like. :rolleyes:

Lurkers: why are yall not posting? You don't have to vote for someone to contribute to the conversation, you know.

[mrs_bun]

Hi Golden Sun. :stare:

[GelbSol]

Hey, im doing five different things and you already know my vote

Vote: Guile

[jok3r]

Oh okay.

FAKE EDIT: @ Shadow

So, vote for Guile. Or vote for me. Those are the only two logical choices. Voting for me is faster because I think everyone will be happier to bandwagon it faster, but I think Guile is a smarter vote.

How is lynching Guile a smarter choice? Also, when do we have until to vote?

[mrs_bun]

I don't know, so please take as long as humanly possible. :P

I think Guile is a good vote because he is the only person we have any teensy bit of real evidence on. Everything else on everyone else is way more flimsy. Unless you count me being "suspicious" in which case vote for me, but obviously I think voting for Guile is smarter.

[jok3r]

I don't know, so please take as long as humanly possible. :P

I think Guile is a good vote because he is the only person we have any teensy bit of real evidence on. Everything else on everyone else is way more flimsy. Unless you count me being "suspicious" in which case vote for me, but obviously I think voting for Guile is smarter.

So my question was kinda dumb. Of course you think voting for guile is better since the other option is yourself. However, we've already (basically) voted an idler out and it did no good.

Just trying to figure out a deadline on votes (I already have mine in mind, but I want to justify it and think things through a little more before voting.)

[mrs_bun]

I don't just think he is a lurker. I think he is mafia, and I think that since he is a lurker that if I'm wrong, it won't be as big of a deal. And we can lynch me if I'm wrong. So I really do think Guile is the smarter choice, not just self preservation.

[Shadow]

Vote: Guile

If he turns out to be town, we lynch bun. Might as well get something done.

[Cara]

So, lynch the mafia? Startling advances in Mafia theory here!

Still lawling.

But yeah, Deadline Vote: Guile

[mrs_bun]

That post was pretty good. :P

[Naga]

Still lawling.

But yeah, Deadline Vote: Guile

Yeah, I am too. That was a good one. I don't know how I can make this sound less sarcastic.

I find bun to be the scummiest person here right now, but CP is right, the best way to test her theories is to lynch Guile. I don't agree with it, but the deadline is approaching and I will be gone for a good part of tomorrow, so I should get this in now.

Vote: Guile

[jok3r]

So I'm seeing an unofficial count of 5 for Guile, 2 for bun, 1 for CP.

make that 6 for Guile with my Vote: Guile.

[Cee Pee]

I need to run off now, don't lynch anyone before I'm back in like two hours. I'll post my (now no not so up to date) hypotheticals on bun, but for now have a look at my Guile theories and make up your mind whether you want Guile dead or not. :V

[GelbSol]

Its 9 to lynch and we probably have 15 or 20 hours left.

[mrs_bun]

I'm going to bed soon, lynch before Cee Pee gets back! :V

[mrs_bun]

Mo, you hate to vote at some point or you'll seem scummy. :stare:

[Spam Elemental]

Unvote: CeePee
Vote: Guile

[Cee Pee]

Mo,
Wut?
a), b), and b)
Oh.

So, I guess that's eight people voting Guile, with one vote left to lynch. I guess that'll be mine. But first, more hypotheticals.

The possibilities of bun's alignment, and the results of that:


Bun is a female.
Bun is town and very bad at paying mafia. If her "hunch" is true and Guile is mafia, and she really doesn't have an important role, then I guess it's a lucky shot. We'll have to focus on other things next day. If Guile ends up town, we lynch bun for failing at mafia.
Bun is mafia and is trying to cause confusion by changing her thoughts without giving much information. It's scummy, she knows, but she has to do something to speed up the game.
Bun has some kind of role that requires her to change votes over day, only supporting that vote with "I feel like he's scum, let's lynch him!" I would see this happening in a woodenmarble mafia, but it's kind of broken if she's allowed to roleclaim it.
Bun is cop and very bad at making her evidence known without blowing away her cover. I kind of hinted at the possibility before, but when Shadow hypothesized that bun may have a "night role that lets her know [someone's] [alignment]", bun said she didn't have such power. Hm.
Bun has another night role, which doesn't state Guile is scum, but that he did something that night (Fountain Watch or roleblocker, I guess), or that he owns a weapon (Gunsmith IIRC). She might assume Guile would be either mafia or an SK, but attempt to hide this info so that the mafia or SK will spare her this night. If this is so, she might need protection. It is possible that Guile is vig, but that wouldn't explain the hit last night, so I assume Guile is a mafia inactive. This hypothetical is ungrounded and shouldn't be relied on when making decisions (for now).

But either way we go, it comes down to the following: If we lynch Guile, we will know what to do tomorrow (lynch bun, believe bun or ignore bun and continue).

It's obvious that Guile will be lynched by now, there's no point in voting for someone else. No Vote isn't an option either. Day ends somewhere today, and it's not really likely that lurkers will suddenly start talking again. Even if they do, it wouldn't change the result. Hastening the game is scummy, but then again, everyone's doing it. Bandwagoning and giving the lynch vote for a possible townie is bad, but in this case, it has obvious upsides. I don't know what Guile is, but he's dead alright. Vote: Guile.

[Cee Pee]

Metagaming: I decided to check on who's really lurking. The following is the current player list, with people who posted something today struck through and the rest bolded.

1. Shady
2. mrs_bun
3. SizzlingStapleCider
4. Kant (John Faggot Kennedy)
5. Naga
6. Shadow
9. Spam Elemental
10. Fluke
11. Carados
12. Regret (Il Marchese del Grillo)
13. Purple Shrimp
14. GelbSol
16. jimbyob
17. Cee Pee
18. Jeremy Banks
19. Guile
20. Яков Похис (Jok3r)

Heh. Less inactives than I thought. Though some people have only posted once or twice today, without much to add. But those won't have to be replaced, I guess.

[Tee See Em]

Bun feels more and more scummy to me, since she's so determined without any real motivation, but nothing else is going to happen today so let's just get this over with. Vote: Guile

[SizzlingStapleCider]

For the same reasons as everyone else:
Unvote: bun; Vote: Guile

[Van]

Official Vote Count
Guile: 11 (mrs_bun, GoldenSun, Shadow, Cara, Naga, jok3r, S_E, Shady, CP, JB, SSC)

In a moment of clarity, the mob comes to a quick decision. Turning toward Guile, they rush the quiet non-participant and toss him onto the gallows. Through sheer luck, his head passes through the open end of the noose mid-flight, snapping his neck violently as the rest of his body continues trajectory while the head stays in place. Thousands of love notes flow out from his pockets, written about various popular high schools boys and full of unrequited love. The atrocious spelling of the notes deduce that Guile was Rikku, Mafia Aligned Sanity Destroyer.

It is now Night 2. PM me your roles by Sunday, 8:00PM

Would the first mod that comes along kindly lock the thread to prevent night stupidity?

[Cara]

Who are we waiting for?

[Shadow]

And unlocked it was.

[Van]

Morning.

The Sourcians stood about, huddling over makeshift fires while sipping coffee and dropping acid. The results were just as gruesome as last night. Jeremy Banks was found with his intestines in a Gordian knot several feet from his hallowed out shell. Dental molds matched the body to ShadyPhoenix, Town-Aligned Fatman Sombrero.

Fluke fared better. His face had been ground down into his keyboard, forming a think puddle of blood and bone shavings. The contents of his computer left no doubt that he was Spam Elemental, Town-Aligned Canadian.

It is now Day 3. With 14 alive, it is 8 to lynch. Day will end on Saturday, Sometime.

[Naga]

This really can't be good for us.

With 20 people, could we expect a mafia of 4 or 5? Either way, their percentage of the overall population is growing, and that's bad.

[mrs_bun]

o_O

Okay, so...

[Shadow]

Wow, this is really shitty.

[Kant]

So shit, weren't we betting on Guile being town, and fuck, TCM was acting scummy on day 2.

So what the fuck do we even have now?

[mrs_bun]

Is there any way we can find out if it is mafia doing both? Or is there just a scummy SK being a jerk?

[mrs_bun]

So shit, weren't we betting on Guile being town, and fuck, TCM was acting scummy on day 2.

So what the fuck do we even have now?

Hey! :mad:

I knew I was right. :lips:

[Shadow]

So shit, weren't we betting on Guile being town, and fuck, TCM was acting scummy on day 2.

So what the fuck do we even have now?

Well, I think we could try to pick bun's brain for some info seeing that she had a hunch that happen to be deadly accurate. Or maybe try to ask people who were against bun but I don't really see that leading anywhere.

[Shadow]

Also, a thought of mine. I find it weird that bun is still alive. If there is some good reason why she knew Guile is scum I feel like it would be logical for mafia to want to kill her but mafia stayed clear. so maybe there is some role involved there.

[mrs_bun]

I don't know, I just had a hunch. And I think anyone against me might've just thought I was acting scummy/weird.

[Shadow]

I find it odd though because you would risk getting lynched on just a hunch.

[mrs_bun]

I don't know why I'm alive. I don't have a special ability that protects me from the mafia at night.

[Shadow]

I wish Van would put more info in his night posts. It would make things a lot better. HINT HINT.

[Van]

I wish Van would put more info in his night posts. It would make things a lot better. HINT HINT.

lol wut? What mafia do you play? :V

Not my fault you guys fail at deduction.

[Shadow]

Thanks for the two lines of info. This will do us good.

[mrs_bun]

Well, let's remember the mysterious "we don't know your role" dead guy. What was that? It didn't happen again, so either it was his power, or the person who killed him didn't use it again last night. Maybe because they were killed also?

[Shadow]

I'm confused to what you're referring to.

[Van]

Thanks for the two lines of info. This will do us good.

Anything more than saying who died and what their role was is just fluff, and is the case for all but the most obscure and diluted mafia games.

Day posts are not supposed to be clues; they're obituaries.

[Fluke Hawkins]

/deadpost

That fucking hurt, Van. :(

[mrs_bun]

Sorry, LegendShark.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Bun brought up a good point. That one identity was hidden, and that didn't stay consistent with anything about the recent lynch and murders. I guess that means it was probably a role of the victim. I can't decide what's more likely though: town or mafia?

Also, maybe bun was protected by someone. This would make sense since she was an obvious target, but also doesn't make sense since two people still died...

SOMEONE DIVULGE A ROLE!!!

I'll start: if I get lynched, all night roles except the mafia's are blocked. No, this isn't a ploy to not get lynched, just an FYI. I never really knew the best time to tell you... Didn't want to draw attention to myself the first round, due to how the round usually works, and heat was on me last round. So I did it now (obviously).

But yeah, information plox.

[mrs_bun]

:V

Question: did anyone protect me last night?

[mrs_bun]

Also, we need to start narrowing down the list of people we are pretty sure aren't mafia first, and from there we can figure out who all is mafia. We also need to try and figure out if LS was mafia, because I feel like that is important.

Random: maybe LegendShark was the serial killer and someone else killed him and took his powers? o_O Iono. Probably nothing. But I don't get why his role was hidden if that was his power, and if it was someone else's, I don't get why it didn't happen again.

[Cee Pee]

Yeah, a quick search says JB replaced Sven (http://wut.ca/showpost.php?p=14978&postcount=99).

Having the identity show in day post is nice indeed, as we can now be sure it's a power of LS. I don't think it's a mafia power as Guile wasn't hidden. This also gives us an estimate on amount of town vs. mafia. And it's pretty bad right now, with four or five town deaths, and only one confirmed mafia death.

I can't know for sure why bun wasn't killed by an angry mafia. Possibly there's a role-diverter which protected bun, but that doesn't sound very likely. Maybe the mafia decided she's not very annoying yet, or they assumed that she might get lynched next day, which would solve that. I don't think we should lynch bun today, though.
I don't think a doctor protected bun, as that would, er, absorb one of the two hits and usually the victim would show up in bandages in the DP.

Too bad their roles say nothing about their powers. Dunno why the mafia would want Fluke out of the way, his role sounds pretty vanilla. Might have been just a random choice.

[mrs_bun]

I'm still in disbelief that bun was right about Guile. You just sounded so convinced that he was mafia on what was flimsy (but correct) evidence. There's got to be something you're not telling us.

It was the ONLY evidence. And there isn't anything I'm not telling. I don't have a really good idea of who might be scummy right now, but I'll post some ideas as soon as I get em.

Yeah, a quick search says JB replaced Sven (http://wut.ca/showpost.php?p=14978&postcount=99).

Having the identity show in day post is nice indeed, as we can now be sure it's a power of LS. I don't think it's a mafia power as Guile wasn't hidden. This also gives us an estimate on amount of town vs. mafia. And it's pretty bad right now, with four or five town deaths, and only one confirmed mafia death.

I can't know for sure why bun wasn't killed by an angry mafia. Possibly there's a role-diverter which protected bun, but that doesn't sound very likely. Maybe the mafia decided she's not very annoying yet, or they assumed that she might get lynched next day, which would solve that. I don't think we should lynch bun today, though.
I don't think a doctor protected bun, as that would, er, absorb one of the two hits and usually the victim would show up in bandages in the DP.

Too bad their roles say nothing about their powers. Dunno why the mafia would want Fluke out of the way, his role sounds pretty vanilla. Might have been just a random choice.

I still am not convinced LS had a weird role that did that. It makes more sense for it to be someone else's power--he was killed at night, right?

It also might not be as bad as it seems, because we don't know how many mafia there are. If LS was mafia, him + Guile means there might only be one or two mafia left.

I feel like the mafia should have killed me though. I mean, I was totally right. I know that I don't have a special power that lets me find mafia, but the mafia prolly can't know that for sure, so why didn't they kill me? Occam's razor, someone protected me. JB thought I was scummy even after switching his vote, so he would've been a good person to leave alive, I'd think. And I was def a better target than Fluke, just from posts.

[Cee Pee]

I'm still in disbelief that bun was right about Guile. You just sounded so convinced that he was mafia on what was flimsy (but correct) evidence. There's got to be something you're not telling us.
I just thought it was the best way to test bun's theory. If she's wrong, we have a very likely mafia lynch next day; otherwise, we have a mafia lynch that day. Day was drawing to an end, and it was obvious nobody else would be lynched.
It's bad indeed to waste a lynch on a possible townie, but it has its advantages.
I don't believe that for a second, though. There are plenty of active players to choose from, lynching a lurker effectively does nothing for them except remove the 'actual' amount needed to vote for someone. So either Fluke was on to something, his role was really good and the mafia knew about it, or ... they're idiots? I can't see it happening.
But how would the mafia know Fluke's role was really good? Would they have, like, a cop which is able to look through people's role PMs? (Was there anyone on Woodenmarble that did something like that?)
I can't explain it, so yes, they might be idiots. :V
I still am not convinced LS had a weird role that did that. It makes more sense for it to be someone else's power--he was killed at night, right?
Hm, possibly. But would anyone have a role like "Every night, you may choose a player. If he dies, his alignment won't be shown in the day post." It doesn't help the town. It might be an optional ability of the vig or SK, though.
It also might not be as bad as it seems, because we don't know how many mafia there are. If LS was mafia, him + Guile means there might only be one or two mafia left.
Optimist. :P We don't know the starting size of the mafia, so it may as well be three of four (if LS isn't mafia).

[mrs_bun]

I think Shady meant I'm dum and he was surprised I was right. :V

I think mafia might've been idiots. I mean, why didn't they hit me? Neither JB or Fluke made sense from their posts to hit.

And even if there are 4 mafia, that means that there are still ten of us, or nine and the SK, so all we have to do is get one mafia within 2 day/night dealies. And I'm sure we can figure this one out today.

[mrs_bun]

But that would mean that either one of them sacrificed themselves to protect you (THANKS FOR THAT STUPID FUCKING ROLE VAN) because that would have otherwise meant there would've been only a single body that night.

Lmao what?

[mrs_bun]

Well I didn't realize that, but if they def didn't target me, then that makes me think even more that they are either stupid or hit JB/Fluke for a reason. Don't forget it could've been either. So what did Fluke and JB say that was important?

[Cee Pee]

I think Shady meant I'm female and he was surprised I was right. :V
Fixed.

Do not that the mafia's stupidity could be based on inactivity. If only the don's active, and the rest is just lurking, he won't have to discuss the kill, and thus avoid proper judgment on his choice. Even so, I don't know why he'd choose someone who basically lurked last day. :/

[mrs_bun]

:stare: @ fix.

Also, we should look at who is left first, imo, like I said.

[mrs_bun]

People I feel like are probably town.

1. Shady
3. SizzlingStapleCider
5. Naga
6. Shadow
9. Spam Elemental
11. Carados (might be either dos or skydin, either of whom could be mafia roles in this)
17. Cee Pee

People I either think are scummy, the SK, or I just don't have enough good lucky feeling about.

4. Kant
12. Regret
13. Purple Shrimp
14. GelbSol
16. jimbyob
20. Яков Похис

These are just my gut feelings. If I accidentally got any mafia in the town list, please let me know so I can update this list. :V

[mrs_bun]

:(

Anyway, the thing to do is everyone make a list of "think you're town" and "not sure" and then we venn diagram it and start lynching people with the most "not sure" votes.

[mrs_bun]

Well we can keep just lynching lurkers then till it gets down to people who've posted today?

[mrs_bun]

Yeah, you're right. Hmm.

[Cee Pee]

1. Shady – Probably town. Interesting hypotheticals
2. mrs_bun – Dunno, but currently it makes more sense if she's town than when she's mafia.
3. SizzlingStapleCider – Not sure, but likely town.
4. Kant (John Faggot Kennedy) – Should post more
5. Naga – Can't say for sure, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt
6. Shadow – Posts are good, so I'd say town.
9. Spam Elemental – Not sure (could be posting more), but if he were a mafiate, he'd be doing it wrong, so he's probably town.
11. Carados – Not sure. Benefit of the doubt, or post more.
12. Regret (Il March del Grill) – Should post more
13. Purple Shrimp – Lurker
14. GelbSol – Should post more
16. jimbyob – Lurker
20. Яков Похис – Some posts, looks good.

Don't take "should post more" or "lurker" as me being suspicious of you, but unconvinced. Last day, there were some bandwagoners voting without any arguments except "everyone's doing it" (yeah, I just cited the definition of bandwagoning). While I understand that a lot had been said already, it doesn't mean you have to follow it blindly. Making your thoughts known helps.

So yeah, I'm currently not really suspicious of anyone.

[jok3r]

1. Shady – I think he's town. Deep discussion with a real basis.
2. mrs_bun – Not sure. Deep discussion based on hunches. Seems scummy but could just be dumb luck. Why weren't you killed?
3. SizzlingStapleCider – still a little suspicious of him and S_E from day 1, but not nearly as much so. Probably town that came off wrong.
4. Kant (John Faggot Kennedy) – doesn't post enough, not sure.
5. Naga – Some very good points when he discusses.
6. Shadow – Posts are good, so I'd say town. (What CP said)
9. Spam Elemental – I still think he's scummy, but less so. Not definite on town here.
11. Carados – Not sure.
12. Regret (Il March del Grill) – No idea.
13. Purple Shrimp – No idea.
14. GelbSol – No idea.
16. jimbyob – No idea.
20. CeePee – Thought-out posts, looks good.

[jimbyob]

Could bun be a cop and not want to out herself? I just don't see her being scum from what I've seen so far.

And sorry I havn't been posting, I forgot this placed existed for awhile, later if I'm not lazy I will post my thoughts on other people.

[Cara]

(might be either dos or skydin, either of whom could be mafia roles in this)

If SpamElemental is a town role, I think metagaming like this is worthless.

[jok3r]

Could bun be a cop and not want to out herself? I just don't see her being scum from what I've seen so far.

And sorry I havn't been posting, I forgot this placed existed for awhile, later if I'm not lazy I will post my thoughts on other people.

She could be. But if she were, the doctor/body guard should have protected her as the mafia would have gone right for her. Even in the case that the mafia knew this, they should have gone anyway under the possibility of getting the cop while the body guard slept...

I'm just really suspicious right now of her or the idea that every member of the mafia is terrible.

[Shadow]

Could bun be a cop and not want to out herself?
I'm thinking this or that she still may be scum and sold somebody out to make it seem that she is actually town but I feel like that may be going too much into "lol conspiracy theory" territory. I would only say this because if bun isn't mafia why wouldn't the mafia instantly try to kill her? I'm really suspicious of the entire situation and I can't really come to any conclusion other than that.

[Regret]

12. Regret (Il March del Grill) – Should post more

Sorry, I've been in Rome but I'm returning tomorrow so I'll be able to post more.

[mrs_bun]

If SpamElemental is a town role, I think metagaming like this is worthless.

Lmao, okay, that's true.

[Regret]

I don't know why I'm alive. I don't have a special ability that protects me from the mafia at night.
If she's not scum then it seems likely that she would be dead by now. (unless she does have a protective ability, in which case she's lying and scum anway) The other possibility is that someone else is protecting her but with two town killed last night, that doesn't seem very likely either.


Sidenote: how is this woodenmarble mafia if characters like Rikku are in it? Or did she post there?

[Shadow]

Sidenote: how is this woodenmarble mafia if characters like Rikku are in it? Or did she post there?

Somewhere Van has said that he doesn't know anything about woodenmarble so he basically just made everything up. He's an idiot.

[mrs_bun]

Lmao. Yeah, there aren't any roles so far that are WM-only, like Fraxus or Gamerzero. Oh well. :P

I still think we should make the lists and use those. With 14 people and a max of like 5 or 6 badguys (if you count SK and mafia,) we should still have 8 town votes, which is enough to lynch. So if everyone's smart, we can lynch only mafia. I won't make any more suggestions since apparently not being an idiot is scummy, though.

vote: mrs_bun

Oh noes, I'm trying to rush things, a totally scum move.

[Regret]

I'm confused. Why did you vote for yourself?

[Van]

Somewhere Van has said that he doesn't know anything about woodenmarble so he basically just made everything up. He's an idiot.

Indeed. I am a bad moderator/mafia designer and everyone's just gonna have to live with it :V

[Shadow]

/confused

I think the suspicion is founded on that mafia didn't try to kill you last night and that you knew so surely that Guile was mafia.

[mrs_bun]

Because everyone thinks I'm scummy because I picked the right person to lynch, even though I totally explained my reasoning for it and at least half of everyone agreed yesterday. So if you think I'm not town based on... reverse psychology, well, I'm not very well going to convince you by saying I'm town, am I?

So vote for me and win big. I'm totally mafia scum. You'll regret not doing it. And this isn't me being sarcastic. The only people I really have ideas about are those who I'm pretty sure aren't mafia, so I don't have any good advice for today other than to lynch me and get me out of this stupid game that apparently no one wants to play seriously anyway.

[Shadow]

I don't think you're scummy but we're trying to justify what happened without any information to go off of.

I say unvote yourself in case somebody tries to bandwagon you and wait for other people to show up to post. Then they are not going to post and we'll try to figure something out from there. It doesn't help rushing anything.

[Cee Pee]

Hypothetical time!


bun is female.
bun is a cop (or some other detecting role, like Fountain Watch or Gunsmith) and is trying to hide this. Possibly, her role states that she isn't allowed to roleclaim, or that she must lie about it. For some reason, the mafia didn't decide to kill her, because she makes herself look scummy anyway and is now literally lynching herself.
bun is mafia and tried to get rid of her inactive mafiate in order to look less scummy, but it didn't turn out so well.
bun isn't playing the game serious enough to be able to convince people without looking suspicious.

The latest posts only confuse me more. FoS: mrs_bun because I think it's too early to start lynching, but too late to not be suspicious of her at all.

[mrs_bun]

/confused

I think the suspicion is founded on that mafia didn't try to kill you last night and that you knew so surely that Guile was mafia.

I don't know why the mafia didn't kill me (and didn't even try, unless someone deflected it somehow.)

And I already explained why I thought Guile was mafia. And it was the only real evidence I saw.

If I knew "if Guile turns out to be town, we lynch bun, and if Guile turns out to be mafia, we lynch bun because she obviously killed a mafia person on purpose to throw everyone off" then I wouldn't have even tried.

[Shadow]

I don't know why the mafia didn't kill me (and didn't even try, unless someone deflected it somehow.)

And I already explained why I thought Guile was mafia. And it was the only real evidence I saw.

If I knew "if Guile turns out to be town, we lynch bun, and if Guile turns out to be mafia, we lynch bun because she obviously killed a mafia person on purpose to throw everyone off" then I wouldn't have even tried.

Well, it's because there wasn't even an attempt from the mafia to kill you is the most confusing part. I didn't expect it and I'm going to say most people didn't expect it.

There is probably a doctor role in the game combined with that we pretty much know there is a serial killer type role that there can only be two kills each night.

[mrs_bun]

Hypothetical time!


bun is female.
bun is a cop (or some other detecting role, like Fountain Watch or Gunsmith) and is trying to hide this. Possibly, her role states that she isn't allowed to roleclaim, or that she must lie about it. For some reason, the mafia didn't decide to kill her, because she makes herself look scummy anyway and is now literally lynching herself.
bun is mafia and tried to get rid of her inactive mafiate in order to look less scummy, but it didn't turn out so well.
bun isn't playing the game serious enough to be able to convince people without looking suspicious.

The latest posts only confuse me more. FoS: mrs_bun because I think it's too early to start lynching, but too late to not be suspicious of her at all.

1. :rolleyes: Thanks, Cee Pee.
2. I'm not a cop! I said I don't have an investigatey role. And I don't know why they didn't kill me.
3. I tried to get Guile lynched because I was sure he was mafia. I don't have a defense for "well how do we know you didn't just get Guile lynched just so no one would suspect you of being mafia?" That's like saying "how do we know you aren't volunteering in the soup kitchen just because you like to torture animals?" I mean, there's literally no defense against it. I mean, I tried to get the mafia don lynched, but it turned out Guile was just a normal mafia person. Whoops.
4. I'm playing the game seriously.

[Cee Pee]

1. :rolleyes: Thanks, Cee Pee.
It's still valid! It can explain everything!
2. I'm not a cop! I said I don't have an investigatey role. And I don't know why they didn't kill me.
But we don't know if this is you telling the truth or your role talking.
Though this is kind of pointless to argue over, it's still a possible hypothetical. But unlikely, and kind of broken.
3. I tried to get Guile lynched because I was sure he was mafia. I don't have a defense for "well how do we know you didn't just get Guile lynched just so no one would suspect you of being mafia?" That's like saying "how do we know you aren't volunteering in the soup kitchen just because you like to torture animals?" I mean, there's literally no defense against it. I mean, I tried to get the mafia don lynched, but it turned out Guile was just a normal mafia person. Whoops.
Hm. Then how were you so sure that he's the mafia don? I don't remember reading that in previous posts, but I'll check again anyway.
It is indeed very hard to make a defense for that. People just like to use reverse psychology and see what happens to the person in suspicion.
4. I'm playing the game seriously.
Good to hear. Don't quit playing by lynching yourself because other people don't though; that's bound to happen in mafia.

Maybe unrelated, but, if I may ask, have you played a mafia game before? >_>

[mrs_bun]

I seem like mafia because I'm a girl? What?

And if I was a cop I would happily tell everyone. And if I was an undercover cop I would have been a lot quieter about it. That would be a weird role anyway. I'm not sure how it would be broken, either, since it seems like I'm about to get lynched.

I wasn't sure he was the mafia don? I was making a joke. Like, I meant to kill the mafia don, but instead I just killed a lesser mafia person? Would I have been safe if I had figured out two mafia people?

Also, are you asking because you think I don't know how to play, or are you just trying to tick me off? So far we've gotten at least one mafia person based on what I thought. I'm sorry if that isn't town-friendly enough for you. Maybe we will jsut go with what Cee Pee thinks. Please wow us with your thoughts on who we should lynch.

[Cee Pee]

I seem like mafia because I'm a girl? What?
You seem suspicious, but that's because you're a girl. I'm being sarcastic. Maybe a V smiley will take care of that. :V
And if I was a cop I would happily tell everyone. And if I was an undercover cop I would have been a lot quieter about it.
You might, except that you wouldn't because it's your nature to make 200 posts a day. :V
That would be a weird role anyway. I'm not sure how it would be broken, either, since it seems like I'm about to get lynched.
It's broken because you could make it extremely obvious you're lying, and people might get it. But it's weird, and I don't think it's plausible.
I wasn't sure he was the mafia don? I was making a joke.
:V
Would I have been safe if I had figured out two mafia people?
Not really, but it might have been safer to base it on actual game evidence, not metagaming like "so-and-so was replaced, so they must be scum".
Also, are you asking because you think I don't know how to play, or are you just trying to tick me off? So far we've gotten at least one mafia person based on what I thought.
You know how to play, but you don't know how to make your thoughts know without seeming scummy. I have problems with that sometimes myself. >_>
Maybe we will jsut go with what Cee Pee thinks. Please wow us with your thoughts on who we should lynch.
Well, the suspicion list might be a good idea, because it does not only give an overall view of what everyone thinks – and it's thus easy to draw a lynch, it could also come in handy in finding mafia later on. (Mafia is known to hang on to active townies while still protecting their buddies)

[mrs_bun]

There WAS no "actual evidence" to go on. I had to make do with what there was.

And you seem like you're doing fine making your thoughts known without seeming scummy. Although maybe from your little ">_>" there I should infer that you're mafia, hmm?

Of course the suspicion list is a good idea. It might not be perfect, it is better than anything else. I'm leaving my vote up for now though, because all of the evidence shows that I'm scummy.

[Kant]

Or, perhaps, the more obvious answer that the mafia wouldn't target Bun because she's a fucking idiot?

I mean, if she was a cop, wouldn't she just out and say it and not risk herself?

she was probably targeting Guile because she knew she was going to be voted soon and chose a lurker we could vote for instead. That she hasn't given a legitimate answer to why she was able to target a mafiate suggests that she literally was lucky.

[mrs_bun]

Or, perhaps, the more obvious answer that the mafia wouldn't target Bun because she's a fucking idiot?

I mean, if she was a cop, wouldn't she just out and say it and not risk herself?

she was probably targeting Guile because she knew she was going to be voted soon and chose a lurker we could vote for instead. That she hasn't given a legitimate answer to why she was able to target a mafiate suggests that she literally was lucky.

Yay, thanks Kant. :rolleyes:

I said I'm not a cop. And I gave a legitimate answer about why I picked Guile. Gah.

[Shadow]

Or, perhaps, the more obvious answer that the mafia wouldn't target Bun because she's a fucking idiot?

I mean, if she was a cop, wouldn't she just out and say it and not risk herself?

she was probably targeting Guile because she knew she was going to be voted soon and chose a lurker we could vote for instead. That she hasn't given a legitimate answer to why she was able to target a mafiate suggests that she literally was lucky.

FoS: Kant because that entire post is idiotic.

[mrs_bun]

Yeah Kant, defending me is scummy. You only get to mock me if you aren't defending me. :V

[Shadow]

Sure, being a bad player can account to something but I eel that there is more going on than just idiocy and Kant's abrasive tone is scummy.

[mrs_bun]

Well thank you, muah. :)

Just remember that me posting the way I normally post has nothing to do with me being a bad player. :stare:

[Kant]

Sure, being a bad player can account to something but I eel that there is more going on than just idiocy and Kant's abrasive tone is scummy.

Just using occams razor.

I mean, it's either my theory or she is most definately scum. There's no way around it. I severely doubt that Van would be a bad enough DM to have posting limitations as a result of a role, but then I know little to nothing about Woodenmarble, maybe there was someone who had a weird gimmick.

fakeedit--And I'm not defending Bun, it's just that those are the only two possibilities we have with her.

[mrs_bun]

Yeah, I don't think Van would have posting limitations as a result of a role. That would be silly.

[Spam Elemental]

:V

Question: did anyone protect me last night?Yes, I'm 95% sure that I did (I was super stoned all last weekend and I don't remember who I picked for sure, but I was planing to do it to you) My mafia role is: "Each night, chose another player. If that player has a female role, both you and your target are protected for that night." If you have a female role then yes, I guess I did protect you. I still have no looked at all the comments in his thread, so I'm going to read those and then post more.

[Kant]

There you go, but then why do we have 3 night kill roles?

[mrs_bun]

Your role is that we had sex. Wat. :stare:

[Spam Elemental]

Idea: Perhaps whoever targeted LS the first night, targeted Bun the second?
Yes, Bun we had sex. :rip:

[Cara]

Hypothetical time!


bun is female.
bun is a cop (or some other detecting role, like Fountain Watch or Gunsmith) and is trying to hide this. Possibly, her role states that she isn't allowed to roleclaim, or that she must lie about it. For some reason, the mafia didn't decide to kill her, because she makes herself look scummy anyway and is now literally lynching herself.
bun is mafia and tried to get rid of her inactive mafiate in order to look less scummy, but it didn't turn out so well.
bun isn't playing the game serious enough to be able to convince people without looking suspicious.

The latest posts only confuse me more. FoS: mrs_bun because I think it's too early to start lynching, but too late to not be suspicious of her at all.

Bun is terrible at both scum and towning.

[Spam Elemental]

Thing I noticed: Other than Bun, who I saved. We have not yet seen a single other female role. Also, I'm new to mafia so I don't know for sure, but my ability seems a little too powerful, since I can now protect myself and Bun indefinitely. I was thinking that perhaps this means there is some downside to protecting the female(s?) in this game.

[Cara]

Rikku was a female mafia role. You could have been saving yourself at the town's expense.

[Cara]

*That implies a vig not an SK

[Spam Elemental]

In case my last post was a little unclear, what I'm suggesting is that perhaps Bun is SK or Mafia meaning we won't be able to win with me protecting her.

[Cara]

Or, you know, apply that same exact logic and realize that what you are suggesting already happened with another mafia role... Rikku.

[Naga]

In case my last post was a little unclear, what I'm suggesting is that perhaps Bun is SK or Mafia meaning we won't be able to win with me protecting her.

Wait, what exactly do you mean that you are protecting her? Are you a doctor, or something close? I may have missed this explanation, but someone elaborate.

[Spam Elemental]

Bun brought up a good point. That one identity was hidden, and that didn't stay consistent with anything about the recent lynch and murders. I guess that means it was probably a role of the victim. I can't decide what's more likely though: town or mafia?

Also, maybe bun was protected by someone. This would make sense since she was an obvious target, but also doesn't make sense since two people still died...

SOMEONE DIVULGE A ROLE!!!

I'll start: if I get lynched, all night roles except the mafia's are blocked. No, this isn't a ploy to not get lynched, just an FYI. I never really knew the best time to tell you... Didn't want to draw attention to myself the first round, due to how the round usually works, and heat was on me last round. So I did it now (obviously).

But yeah, information plox.Do you have a male or female role?

[Spam Elemental]

Wait, what exactly do you mean that you are protecting her? Are you a doctor, or something close? I may have missed this explanation, but someone elaborate.I'm Fonzy, Town Aligned Way Cool Guy! My ability: Each night, chose another player. If that player has a female role, both you and your target are protected for that night. I sex them up, because of this they are at my house and not out getting killed some place, or something like that.

[mrs_bun]

He's a love doctor. :rip:

But yeah, there are multiple female roles, obv. Rikku, Skydin, and possibly Carados, since Van didn't pay attention to WM really.

The obvious solution is to not protect me SE, even though it means no more secks, and hope I get killed and am not town (assuming I don't get lynched, obv.) If you do that, I would announce that you are not protecting me so that the mafia/SK will kill me tonight.

[Naga]

I'm Fonzy, Town Aligned Way Cool Guy! My ability: Each night, chose another player. If that player has a female role, both you and your target are protected for that night. I sex them up, because of this they are at my house and not out getting killed some place, or something like that.

And you chose bun last night?

[mrs_bun]

I'm Fonzy, Town Aligned Way Cool Guy! My ability: Each night, chose another player. If that player has a female role, both you and your target are protected for that night. I sex them up, because of this they are at my house and not out getting killed some place, or something like that.

Of course Fonzy is sexing me up. :stare:

[Spam Elemental]

Wait, what exactly do you mean that you are protecting her? Are you a doctor, or something close? I may have missed this explanation, but someone elaborate. I chose to say it the way I did because until I know someone else with a female role, who is more worth protecting than Bun, odds are I will continue to use my ability on her (Otherwise I'll most likely get killed).

[Spam Elemental]

And you chose bun last night? "Yes, I'm 95% sure that I did (I was super stoned all last weekend and I don't remember who I picked for sure, but I was planing to do it to Bun)"

[Naga]

I chose to say it the way I did because until I know someone else with a female role, who is more worth protecting than Bun, odds are I will continue to use my ability on her (Otherwise I'll most likely get killed).

But we don't know what bun's role is, we just know that bun herself is a girl, which isn't what your role is.

What is your role, bun? Or, maybe not your role, just, who are you?

[Spam Elemental]

The obvious solution is to not protect me SE, even though it means no more secks, and hope I get killed and am not town (assuming I don't get lynched, obv.) If you do that, I would announce that you are not protecting me so that the mafia/SK will kill me tonight. My only concern is that I will get killed if I don't use my ability on you in the future.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

My role is Jeremy Banks (male), so no protection here. I already said what it did two pages ago (it sucks).

If you protected Bun, then why did two people still die? Could it be there is a third, optional kill role that doesn't hide the identity. What could have happened was that the kill that hides the identity targeted bun (mafia kill?). Doesn't really seem likely that it would be a mafia ability, I don't think, and it's also weird if there was a third kill role that didn't act the first round but acted the second round. Why?

But it's either that explanation or another, or Spam is looking somewhat suspicious... Not sure, either way.

[Spam Elemental]

If there are any townies with female roles, it would be great if you could roleclaim. It will give me someone I can use to keep myself alive, (Because we don't know for sure that Bun us female, and my ability worked) and it would allow us to lynch Bun (or let someone else kill her, like she suggested), an option I'm currently leaning towards. If she did not get killed we would could almost be sure that she is mafia, and if she did we would find out her roll/why she's acting so funny.

[Naga]

It's starting to look a lot more likely that LS' role was to hide his alignment, rather than the role of the mafia, so we can maybe put that to rest. I do still think that he is scum, though, because why would a townie want to keep information from the town? It seems like it would be something beneficial to the mafia, rather than the town. It not only protects him, but the people who supported him on day one.

I have an idea, but that hinges on bun, here.

[Spam Elemental]

If you protected Bun, then why did two people still die? Could it be there is a third, optional kill role that doesn't hide the identity. What could have happened was that the kill that hides the identity targeted bun (mafia kill?). Doesn't really seem likely that it would be a mafia ability, I don't think, and it's also weird if there was a third kill role that didn't act the first round but acted the second round. Why? I agree it is very odd. Is it possible that two killers targeted the same person in night one?

Also I'm not sure if this is too meta, but it seems a little unlikely to me that Van would assign Bun with a female role, when she is actually a female. I realize that's very weak logic, but I'm just throwing out any ideas I get.

[Naga]

Hey, bun, what did you mean by this?

I hope LegendShark isn't on my team. :(

[Naga]

If you protected Bun, then why did two people still die? Could it be there is a third, optional kill role that doesn't hide the identity. What could have happened was that the kill that hides the identity targeted bun (mafia kill?). Doesn't really seem likely that it would be a mafia ability, I don't think, and it's also weird if there was a third kill role that didn't act the first round but acted the second round. Why?

Again, my answer to this depends on bun's answer. Someone posted the theory that bun wanted to lynch a mafia lurker that she KNEW was mafia, because she herself is. It would increase her credibility, because why would mafia want to lynch mafia, and that makes her nearly confirmed town.

But if two people still died, and bun was protected, that would logically lead to the assumption that the mafia did not even try to kill bun. Why would this happen?

[Cee Pee]

I knew it! I told you so, bun, you being female would explain everything! :V
Dunno if bun's role is female, but if it is, and SE protected each other last night, that would open up more possibilities and doubts as well. Would it mean there's a mafia, vig and an SK, and that Night 1 was "only two" because one of them was lurking – or like SE just said, two hits on the same person? If bun were to be hit (and thus protected) in Night 2, why didn't this show up in the DP? (Probably metagaming, but meh)

About the 95% certainty, you can always check your sent messages.

Actual explanations, and thus more hypotheticals might follow, if I'm not too lazy to not write them, and if people are actually interested in them. :V

[Cara]

If there are any townies with female roles, it would be great if you could roleclaim.

My role is female.

[Cee Pee]

Though I will first attempt to read all new posts instead of just some.

[Naga]

I knew it! I told you so, bun, you being female would explain everything! :V
Dunno if bun's role is female, but if it is, and SE protected each other last night, that would open up more possibilities and doubts as well. Would it mean there's a mafia, vig and an SK, and that Night 1 was "only two" because one of them was lurking – or like SE just said, two hits on the same person? If bun were to be hit (and thus protected) in Night 2, why didn't this show up in the DP? (Probably metagaming, but meh)

About the 95% certainty, you can always check your sent messages.

Actual explanations, and thus more hypotheticals might follow, if I'm not too lazy to not write them, and if people are actually interested in them. :V

I was wondering why there would be randomly another kill, but you do raise a possibility, that someone could have been lurking.

But it doesn't get by the fact that we don't have any evidence at all towards there being a third hit.

[Spam Elemental]

About the 95% certainty, you can always check your sent messages.
Oh thanks, I was not aware of that feature. Just checked and yes I did target Bun.

[Spam Elemental]

My role is female.Ok then, until further notice I will be using my ability on you next round. If I die, then Cara is full of shit and everyone should burn him.

[Cee Pee]

If there are any townies with female roles, it would be great if you could roleclaim.
Nope, male here.
It's starting to look a lot more likely that LS' role was to hide his alignment, rather than the role of the mafia, so we can maybe put that to rest. I do still think that he is scum, though, because why would a townie want to keep information from the town? It seems like it would be something beneficial to the mafia, rather than the town. It not only protects him, but the people who supported him on day one.
I guess that's probably correct, though he doesn't have to be mafia. Possibly, Van implemented this to hide something important about his role that he doesn't want to be made known until the end.
So yes, I guess that can rest.
Hey, bun, what did you mean by this?
Probably "I hope LS isn't town as I am." Can't give it any other meaning.
But it doesn't get by the fact that we don't have any evidence at all towards there being a third hit.
True, we don't have any evidence, and what we have is flimsy.

[Cee Pee]

Probably "I hope LS isn't town as I am." Can't give it any other meaning.
Though that, of course, doesn't mean bun is town. All my hypotheticals, as far as I can imagine at the moment, can be taken both sides.

[Cara]

Ok then, until further notice I will be using my ability on you next round. If I die, then Cara is full of shit and everyone should burn him.

Her.

[Spam Elemental]

Her.If I die, I'm quite sure we will be burning a him. :P

[mrs_bun]

I think the best thing to do is not lynch me and then have SE protect Cara. I do have a female role. Well, the first part is selfish, but whether I get lynched or not, I think you should protect Craa.

[mrs_bun]

Protect CRAA. :rolleyes:

[mrs_bun]

Oh god dammit.

[Shadow]

I think we understand.

Also, upon reviewing my role I am also female.

[Cara]

Excuse me, Craa?

[Naga]

For a person who doesn't know much about WM, and just did random shit, we certainly have a lot of female roles, when there were like three for the entire source.

[Naga]

For a person who doesn't know much about WM, and just did random shit, we certainly have a lot of female roles, when there were like three for the entire source.

A person, being Van.

[Cara]

Speaking of which, since I'm trusting my life in the hands of someone who may or may not be lying and making myself a target, should I role-claim?

[Naga]

Going with what I said previously, along with gender, names are relevant, so post them up.

I am Jenius.

[mrs_bun]

Cara. :V

Anyway, so there are multiple options. Although I would say there is about any even chance that any given female role is mafia, including me. I think that Cara is town though. I don't know for sure about Shadow one way or the other, but I am metagaming here.

[Cara]

Cara. :V

Good guess. I'm Cara+dos. I'm one of those shitty cops that doesn't actually do anything useful, I can get gender and house leaving status for any given character.0

Also, male and female for all roles.

Also, reason I'm telling you this:

Day 1: Kant. Male. Left house.
Day 2: Shady. Male. Did not leave house.

[Cara]

Minus the typo'd 0.

[mrs_bun]

Oops, I'm not Cara, that was in response to another post.

I am miss_bun. :rolleyes:

[Naga]

Oops, I'm not Cara, that was in response to another post.

I am miss_bun. :rolleyes:

Which post?

[mrs_bun]

Where I kept typing Craa by mistake, I was jsut correcting myself.

Also I can 100% confirm that Shady and Naga are not mafia.

[Van]

1) Van is seriously fucking terrible at designing mafias and I will not be playing in his future games.

Don't worry, I won't be designing anymore.

[Cara]

Kant, what were you doing on day 1?

2) I'm Kant. It takes one less vote to lynch me for every two female roles. So basically, please don't lynch me because we don't know how many female roles there are?

Kant, what were you doing on day 1?

:psyduck:

[Cara]

are you retarded

Apparently. I was too lazy to just look up the smiley, so I faked it and fucked up.

[Van]

Mostly WHY DID YOU DESIGN SUCH A BIG GAME :mad:

Ambition

[Shadow]

Does anybody care if I copy and paste my role PM?

[mrs_bun]

Why didn't you reveal what your role does, bun?

Because if I do that I will not make it to tomorrow. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/thefonz37/teachsmileygi9.gif

[Spam Elemental]

Does anybody care if I copy and paste my role PM?I hope not, because that's what I did.

[mrs_bun]

Does anybody care if I copy and paste my role PM?

I guess that's up to Van.

[mrs_bun]

I hope not, because that's what I did.

Oh lol nvm.

[Shadow]

You are Zindaras, Town Aligned Cop!
There's one in every game! Funny thing is, though: you're a doctor! WOAH!
You're also a female townie.

Yeah, great role PM. Because it doesn't actually tell me what my power does. :rolleyes:

[Kant]

I'm Naga, I can check to see if someone is mafia or not. Day 1 I checked Legendshark, day 2 I checked shadyphoenix, both weren't mafia.

[Naga]

I don't know who bun is, as a role, but, I am You are Jenius, Town-Aligned Cyborg. Using your brilliant powers of deduction and total lack of understanding of basic human emotions, you've become a paragon of detective work. Each night, you may target a player and learn of their alignment. You are also immune to role-blocking and other protective abilities.

Night one I checked Shadow, night two bun. According to my results, Shadow is town and bun is mafia.

[Kant]

I didn't bring this up because I figured that this would paint a huge target on me, which would be pointless to do unless I found a mafiate.

[Naga]

you can tell I copy and pasted that

[Shadow]

Shady, Van has admitted to not knowing anything about WM so using that as a reason is void.

[Kant]

This...

wut

[Naga]

Shady, Van has admitted to not knowing anything about WM so using that as a reason is void.

But a cop investigating her is something.

[Shadow]

Vote: Bun

suppose the whole selling out one of your own was true. :V

[Shadow]

But a cop investigating her is something.

That post didn't exist while I was typing that. :V

[Naga]

Vote: bun

Reasons are self-evident.

[mrs_bun]

:O

:mad:

So Naga made a cute typo as "proof" that he copied pasted this. :rolleyes:

unvote: myself; vote: Shady

[Kant]

Well, yeah, going with my idea last page + naga's info, vote:bun

[Shadow]

Well, seeing as Kant's role lets him check mafia, he checked Shady and he isn't mafia. He could be a SK or something but right now that doesn't matter. So, voting for Shady doesn't mean anything.

[mrs_bun]

Disregard that, stone the bitch.

Love ya honey bun. :V

To be fair, it was my only hope. :(

[Naga]

That post didn't exist while I was typing that. :V

:V

:O

:mad:

So Naga made a cute typo as "proof" that he copied pasted this. :rolleyes:

unvote: myself; vote: Shady

Why would you vote for Shady and not me

[mrs_bun]

Also, everything I said was true so far, so maybe don't ignore it later on, assuming I do get lynched today.

I even said I was queen of the mafia. :V

[mrs_bun]

:V



Why would you vote for Shady and not me

Oops.

[Cara]

Hey guys what about Kant having the same role as Naga?

[mrs_bun]

I'm frankly surprised you didn't kill me last night. Why did you decide to kill Fluke?

Don't vote to lynch me and find out!

[mrs_bun]

Hey guys what about Kant having the same role as Naga?

Wait wat?

[Kant]

Bun, you are being the most fucking scummy person ever.

No person has been more scummy in the history of mafia.

unvote bun
revote bunt

[mrs_bun]

Womg mafia went cazrazy.

[Kant]

vote bun

[mrs_bun]

Bun, you are being the most fucking scummy person ever.

No person has been more scummy in the history of mafia.

unvote bun
revote bunt

I said I was the queen of the mafia like a week ago, Kant. :rolleyes:

[Cara]

I don't know who bun is, as a role, but, I am You are Jenius, Town-Aligned Cyborg. Using your brilliant powers of deduction and total lack of understanding of basic human emotions, you've become a paragon of detective work. Each night, you may target a player and learn of their alignment. You are also immune to role-blocking and other protective abilities.

Night one I checked Shadow, night two bun. According to my results, Shadow is town and bun is mafia.

I'm Naga, I can check to see if someone is mafia or not. Day 1 I checked Legendshark, day 2 I checked shadyphoenix, both weren't mafia.



Same role, minus roleblocking.

[mrs_bun]

No, I think Kant is not mafia. You can believe me. I'm a reliable source.

[Cara]

Shady or I?

[mrs_bun]

Neither of you are mafia.

[Cara]

I would like to point out my role is both male and female.

[Naga]

This post looks bad/confusing (f u edit roolz). I meant Cara would be the next target.

I'm noticing a trend. Literal vaginas = mafia, figurative vaginas = town.

I am neither.

Now what!

[mrs_bun]

Yall need to stop posting so fast. >_<

[Cara]

So you're Carados? I have a feeling you're the SK. Or vig. Or whatever that is.

Hey, I predicted your gender and house leaving status.

[mrs_bun]

Yeah, Cara is Carados. I've been wondering who the SK is and why they haven't been killing mafia though.

[Cara]

I have two roles. I watch the doors and I sneak through your underwear drawer.

I'm not three people.

[mrs_bun]

:rip:

Can we get a vote count?

[GelbSol]

From what I can gather...

Shady, Kant, Shadow, Carados, and Myself are townie.

Purple Shrimp, Regret, Jimbyob, (guy whos name I forgot to copy/paste), and SE are unknown

Also, Vote: mrs_bun because she practically sold herself out.

But thats just what I think.

[Naga]

So wait, LS was town?

[Van]

Oh goddamn I go grind in Terokkar Forest and this happens :V

will have an official vote or some shit soon

[Spam Elemental]

Since we were doing a mass reveal I put together a list to help me keep track of who is what, here it is. I'll update it as information comes.

Players and their roles:
1. Shady - Kant (Male) -
- It takes one less vote to lynch me for every two female roles.
2. mrs_bun - Miss_Bun (Female)-
-queen of the mafia.
-I can 100% confirm that Shady and Naga are not mafia.
3. SizzlingStapleCider - Jeremy Banks (Male) -
-If lynched, all night roles except the mafia's are blocked.
4. Kant - Naga (Male) -
-I can check to see if someone is mafia or not.
-Day 1 I checked Legendshark, day 2 I checked shadyphoenix, both weren't mafia.
5. Naga - Jenius (Male) -
-Using your brilliant powers of deduction and total lack of understanding of basic human emotions, you've become a paragon of detective work. Each night, you may target a player and learn of their alignment. You are also immune to role-blocking and other protective abilities.
-Night one I checked Shadow, night two bun. According to my results, Shadow is town and bun is mafia.
6. Shadow -Zindaras (Female) -
-Town Aligned Cop!
There's one in every game! Funny thing is, though: you're a doctor! WOAH!
9. Spam Elemental - Fonzy (Male) -
-Each night, chose another player. If that player has a female role, both you and your target are protected for that night
Protected mrs_bun on the second night.
11. Carados - Cara+dos (Male) -
- Can get gender and house leaving status for any given character.
-Day 1: Kant. Male. Left house.
Day 2: Shady. Male. Did not leave house.
12. Regret
13. Purple Shrimp
14. GelbSol
16. jimbyob
17. Cee Pee
20. Яков Похис

[jok3r]

vote: mrs_bun because she's basically telling us to at this point.

[Naga]

Wow, that's handy.

I had a theory that the supporters of LS were scum, but now I'm not sure.

[Van]

Official Vote Cunt
mrs_bun: 6 (Shady, Shadow, Naga, Kant, GoldenSun, jok3r)
Shady: 1 (mrs_bun)

[Naga]

That post didn't exist while I was typing that. :V

Can I just say that bun said I was 100% not mafia and then voted for me?

:V

She said a lot of stupid things.

[Naga]

Whoa double quote.

Oops.

[Cara]

Can I delete the tags after she dies?

[mrs_bun]

Also, Vote: mrs_bun because she practically sold herself out.

But thats just what I think.

Hey! :( But I wuv u. :P

Also, pretty sure Spam Elemental is def town. I'd know.

[SizzlingStapleCider]

Wow, that's handy.

I had a theory that the supporters of LS were scum, but now I'm not sure.

I had a theory you were mafia, but now I'm not sure. :V

I believe your info, and so Vote: bun

[Cara]

Also, S_E should use his role on Shadow if he really is female.

Which doesn't sound right.

[Naga]

I had a theory you were mafia, but now I'm not sure. :V

I believe your info, and so Vote: bun

Why would I be mafia?