since you guys are so smart...

[.Girl]

Please help me with my philosophy homework!

Out of Aristotle, Kant, and Levinas, who would actually give a damn about invitro fertilization?

[Pfisiar]

Please help me with my philosophy homework!

Out of Aristotle, Kant, and Levinas, who would actually give a damn about invitro fertilization?


I' guessing Levinas would probably care. I know a little bit about Aristotle and Kant and what I know doesn't indicate that they'd give a damn.

[.Girl]

ok lets start over bcuz i dont know what to do.
We have to pick a recent news article (it must raise an ethical or moral issue), and write one page on what we think 1 of these 3 philosophers think of the situation .

so any recent news.. and what one of these 3 philosophers would say about it.
kthxbai

[mrs_bun]

Please do my philosophy homework!

:p

[.Girl]

Please oh Please im begging you people!!

[notallama]

i learned in philosophy that philosophy is dumb.

[Shadow]

Do your own ÷÷÷÷ing homework, you lazy whore.

[Naga]

I'm majoring in philosophy.

[notallama]

I'm majoring in philosophy.
how far in are you?

[Jabby]

how far in are you?

'Bout an ounce and a pair of Birkenstocks.

[notallama]

i wear birkenstocks in the summer.
too slippery now, though.

also, several of my friends are plotting murder if i wear socks + 'stocks.

[mrs_bun]

Do your own ÷÷÷÷ing homework, you lazy whore.

Glomp. :P

[Naga]

how far in are you?

I'm still in high school. The University of Ottawa offered me admission for next year. :woot:

[good news]

I'm not sure how i feel about levinas- he thinks that our subjectivities are just kind of sitting there until something else comes along and makes us realize that we have subjectivities.

[notallama]

I'm still in high school. The University of Ottawa offered me admission for next year. :woot:
when you switch majors after a semester or two, you'll look back and think, "man, i was pretty ÷÷÷÷ing retarded back then, wasn't i?"

or maybe you'll stick with it, and other people will be like, "man, look at how retarded that guy is."

[.Girl]

congrats Nick!!
I got into accounting at Sheridan College.

[Zerg]

...why would anyone give a damn about in-vitro fertilization?

I mean, is there anything controversial about it that I'm missing?

[Jabby]

I'm not sure how i feel about levinas- he thinks that our subjectivities are just kind of sitting there until something else comes along and makes us realize that we have subjectivities.

:juggle:

[mrs_bun]

...why would anyone give a damn about in-vitro fertilization?

I mean, is there anything controversial about it that I'm missing?

Masturbation? Eating pork? Showing your face? Take your pick, Zerg.

[Jabby]

...why would anyone give a damn about in-vitro fertilization?

I mean, is there anything controversial about it that I'm missing?

God doesn't want you to have babies, don't circumvent his plan!

[mrs_bun]

Circumvent, tee hee.

[Jabby]

Circumvent, tee hee.

At the time of this posting you had exactly 300 posts more than I. And yet, our accounts are the same age.

[mrs_bun]

Yours is older.

[Jabby]

Yours is older.

By a matter of minutes, no?

[mrs_bun]

Not sure. :P I know gret was right after me tho.

[Jabby]

Not sure. :P I know gret was right after me tho.

I'm pretty sure I registered and saw it say that you were the newest member. I remember thinking at this point that your post count will grow leagues faster than mine.

Also, we're having two conversations in two different threads.

POAST MOAR PPLZ>

[SizzlingStapleCider]

At least you didn't have to figure out a philosophy allusion to Nietszche for an (English) poetry presentation. I've never done any philosophy or Nietszche, and now I have to write about tragedy and it as an art form?

[Jabby]

At least you didn't have to figure out a philosophy allusion to Nietszche for an (English) poetry presentation. I've never done any philosophy or Nietszche, and now I have to write about tragedy and it as an art form?

I wrote a paper last year about how the Nazis perverted Nietszche's philosophy. My teacher from last year came up to me on friday and said, "Hey, remember that paper you wrote on Nietszche? That was cool."

[mrs_bun]

I don't think you can pervert a philosophy, is the thing.

[Jabby]

I don't think you can pervert a philosophy, is the thing.

I think you can cherry-pick buzzphrases and make it to be something it's not.

[mrs_bun]

Mmm, I think that depends on whether you are interpreting it in your own way or are just using it to trick people into your cult.

[Jabby]

Mmm, I think that depends on whether you are interpreting it in your own way or are just using it to trick people into your cult.

Which one do you think the Nazis would sooner do?

Also, are you trying to argue that interpretation is entirely subjective? Don't you think that the author would have something to say?

[Shadow]

Guys, back to telling ÷÷÷÷÷es to do their own homework if they are too stupid to google answers.

[mrs_bun]

I'm a quarter nazi. :V

That is self evident, so no. And yes and no on that last part.

EDIT: @ Jabby.

[Jabby]

I'm a quarter nazi. :V

That is self evident, so no. And yes and no on that last part.

EDIT: @ Jabby.

Yes and no? Go on...

[mrs_bun]

The author is just as entitled to their opinion as anyone else.

[Naga]

The author is just as entitled to their opinion as anyone else.

You know, you're allowed to tell someone they're wrong. Yes, even their opinion.

[mrs_bun]

The author is in a much better position to convince other people what they meant, but it is also up to them to be unambiguous. Imo.

[Jabby]

The author is just as entitled to their opinion as anyone else.

There's a difference between interpretation and reaction.

You can say that you don't agree with the way the author says to make oatmeal. You can't say that his recipe for oatmeal is a description of how to fix a car.

[mrs_bun]

You can with philosophy.

[Jabby]

You can with philosophy.

NO!

If Kant says there is a God, you can't take that and say "WELL, I THINK HE MEANS THAT THERE IS NO GOD." That's stupid. You can say what you want in reaction to what he says, but there's only one option as to what he had in mind that he wanted to convey to his readers at the time of the writing.

[mrs_bun]

Kant is back in noob mode, he doesn't know what he's saying.

[Jabby]

Kant is back in noob mode, he doesn't know what he's saying.

Which is why I dislike authors who say "Let the audience decide what it means) that's lazy and pretentious. Admittedly, I haven't read much Kant. But his name sounds like ÷÷÷÷, so it's funny. That, and he's the one who said God exists because God has to exist, or something like that, right?

[mrs_bun]

Oh, Immanuel. :V

[Zerg]

NO!

If Kant says there is a God, you can't take that and say "WELL, I THINK HE MEANS THAT THERE IS NO GOD." Reverse psychology!

:V

[mrs_bun]

Sarcasm?

[Jabby]

Reverse psychology!

:V
I've realized how appropriate my avatar is for dealing with this forum.

:woot:

[mrs_bun]

Yay! :D

[Naga]

I think the discussion here got ÷÷÷÷ed when the distinction between our Kant and Immanuel Kant ceased.

[Jabby]

I think the discussion here got ÷÷÷÷ed when the distinction between our Kant and Immanuel Kant ceased.

OH! I just got that. I thought bun was just being retarded. lol. I forgot we had a Kant.

[mrs_bun]

Lmao thanks, Naga, hehehehe. I'm not that slow, Jabs. :P

[Jabby]

Lmao thanks, Naga, hehehehe. I'm not that slow, Jabs. :P

Apparently I am, though.

[mrs_bun]

Skay, I was super sneaky. :P

[good news]

it's about a community of readers!

[LegendShark]

Which is why I dislike authors who say "Let the audience decide what it means) that's lazy and pretentious.

DUMBLEDORE IS GAY

[mrs_bun]

:rofl:

[Jabby]

:rofl:

At least she was unambiguous.

[bun_bot]

You can with philosophy.

[BlaineTog]

...why would anyone give a damn about in-vitro fertilization?

I mean, is there anything controversial about it that I'm missing?Yep. As part of IVF, the scientists create a lot of embryos and implant a bunch of them in the woman, because each attempt at implantation is expensive and you get a greater chance in implantation if you do a whole bunch. Thing is, most of them don't survive, though you can get situations where, say, eight of them can implant, in which case the standard operating procedure is to abort the extra embryos. There are also sometimes leftover embryos which were created but not used in the procedure which are then either discarded or frozen.

So basically, the primary objection is to the abortion often involved, or more generally to the creation of an excess of embryos, most of which you know will die (and you'll kill off those that don't die on their own accord). The Catholic Church has other objections, but they're theological and not really related to the politics.

Fun, no?

And to answer the original question, probably all of them. Aristotle would probably call it unnatural and whether Kant ultimately thought it was ok or not ok, he would probably be interested anyway (and my guess is he'd be against it).

[mrs_bun]

Aristotle would call a lot of things unnatural, most of them things not up for grabs in the left/right debate. And your guess about Kant is just that, mister. :P

[BlaineTog]

Aristotle would call a lot of things unnatural, most of them things not up for grabs in the left/right debate. And your guess about Kant is just that, mister. :PYeah, I'm hardly making an appeal to Aristotle. As for Kant, well, he was against a whole lot of stuff, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he'd be against this too. I'm basically saying he doesn't strike me as a particularly liberal mind.

[mrs_bun]

Very few historical figures strike me as very liberal either; the was too much necessity in day-to-day life. The few liberals were either insane or visionaries, and almost always outcasts or leaders. Yet liberals today are so rarely seen as visionary, and there is a lot of self congratulatory bullshitting and very little leading or casting out.

[Psion]

I'm pretty sure this is Random General, which means we should be talking about mountain lions and Labyrinth, not philosophy and the prevalence of liberalism in history.

[mrs_bun]

Jello sweaters!

[Psion]

http://i42.tinypic.com/24fio3m.jpg

[good news]

Very few historical figures strike me as very liberal either; the was too much necessity in day-to-day life. The few liberals were either insane or visionaries, and almost always outcasts or leaders. Yet liberals today are so rarely seen as visionary, and there is a lot of self congratulatory bullshitting and very little leading or casting out.

Well it depends on our conception of liberal- so many things that were revolutionary and/or earth-shattering back in the day are now totally commonplace and, to put it frankly, uninteresting. The earth revolves around the sun? Yawn- but it had huge repercussions.

[Shadow]

http://i42.tinypic.com/24fio3m.jpg
This pictured scared me.

What also scares me is when I wake up in the morning facing my David Bowie poster.

[mrs_bun]

Well it depends on our conception of liberal- so many things that were revolutionary and/or earth-shattering back in the day are now totally commonplace and, to put it frankly, uninteresting. The earth revolves around the sun? Yawn- but it had huge repercussions.

I didn't consider that just now. Maybe liberals are just old hat by now.

[.Girl]

im glad i started a great thread...
well i chose an article about islamists killing Algerian citizens for no reason whatsoever.
and my philosopher was Levinas.

You guys didnt really help but I still love you! :D

[mrs_bun]

Thanks dot girl. :) Is it graded yet?

[good news]

I didn't consider that just now. Maybe liberals are just old hat by now.

liberal is kind of an awkward term to use- it's really tainted by our contemporary US politics, and even if we take it in the classical sense of "liberalism" it's kind of fixed to its 18th 19th century definition of plural society and free markets.

progressive is better, I think.

[good news]

caveat: even though the notion of progress is totally arbitrary and culturally constructed

[mrs_bun]

Progressive is better. Progressive assumes change for the better and conservative assumes change for the worse, we'll say.

[Jabby]

caveat: even though the notion of progress is totally arbitrary and culturally constructed

Arbitrary is a word that can be applied to most things in these types of conversations, so I'd say it's irrelevant. But yeah, liberal isn't a good word to use.

[.Girl]

Thanks dot girl. :) Is it graded yet?


lol.
with the teachers at my school, it'll take at least a week.
if not 2.

[good news]

Arbitrary is a word that can be applied to most things in these types of conversations, so I'd say it's irrelevant. But yeah, liberal isn't a good word to use.

I dunno about irrelevant- I think it's important to keep in mind that although this is "the way things are", they're not necessarily this way.

[mrs_bun]

That is important to think about, but I don't think that there is any other way things could be, even if they might be changed.

[good news]

That is important to think about, but I don't think that there is any other way things could be, even if they might be changed.

That's because we're products of the society in which we were raised!

[mrs_bun]

I just mean that things necessarily got here now that we're here. They might have been changed before, and we might change future things now, but once you get to now, it necessarily is.

[Jabby]

That's because we're products of the society in which we were raised!

Hai Freud.

When I say irrelevant, I mean to say that societal definitions of things are arbitrary is like writing a math proof with definitions for things like 1+1=2

I mean, yeah. But since it's a constant throughout every philosophical debate, there's no point in stating it, since arguments are already constructed with that in that scope by default.

Now if we were to argue whether or not they were actually arbitrary...

Nah they are, I'm joshin.

[good news]

That's why it was just a caveat!

[Jabby]

That's why it was just a caveat!

I know. I just like to point out that you were flaunting pseudo-intelligence.

Were you trying to get me into bed with you again?

[good news]

When did that ever happen? And it's not pseudo-intelligence.

[Jabby]

When did that ever happen? And it's not pseudo-intelligence.
I just take smart things you say as attempts to impress me.

<3

[good news]

I just take smart things you say as attempts to impress me.

<3

ah- you shouldn't. they are just minor corrections.

[Jabby]

ah- you shouldn't. they are just minor corrections.

Please can I have my fantasy?

[good news]

ah- you shouldn't. they are just minor corrections..

[Jabby]

.

I didn't actually understand that part, so I'll assume you're flirting.

[good news]

AH YOU'RE KILLING ME

[Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician]

Progressive is better. Progressive assumes change for the better and conservative assumes change for the worse, we'll say.
This is one of the dumber things you've said on the forum thus far.

Freud fell short - we're products not just of out society, but of everything that led to your birth and everything you encounter in your life, as well as products of our own genetic makeup.

[Jabby]

This is one of the dumber things you've said on the forum thus far.

Freud fell short - we're products not just of out society, but of everything that led to your birth and everything you encounter in your life, as well as products of our own genetic makeup.
I meant this when I said Hai Freud. :(

Brain plasticity only goes so far.

[good news]

But our science and technology in turn affect our brains- example: somebody using google for the first time is opening up new neural pathways

[Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician]

I meant this when I said Hai Freud. :(

Brain plasticity only goes so far.
Basically, determinism.

But our science and technology in turn affect our brains- example: somebody using google for the first time is opening up new neural pathways
The fact that they used google is the result of events, which were themselves the result of events, ... which was itself the result of the beginning of the universe, which was lol I dunno.

[Jabby]

Basically, determinism.


The fact that they used google is the result of events, which were themselves the result of events, ... which was itself the result of the beginning of the universe, which was lol I dunno.

I wouldn't take it that far, though. I still believe in free will.

[good news]

now who's talking about irrelevant?

[Psion]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/PsionScribe/lion.jpg

[Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician]

I wouldn't take it that far, though. I still believe in free will.
Define free will. Is it the ability to act without consideration of the past? Because that's insanity, not free will.

Or is it the ability to act free from coercion?

now who's talking about irrelevant?
SHUT UP FREE WILL IS NOT SOPHOMORIC

[BlaineTog]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/PsionScribe/lion.jpgAWESOME.

Someone please make that into a lolcougar.

[Jabby]

Define free will. Is it the ability to act without consideration of the past? Because that's insanity, not free will.

Or is it the ability to act free from coercion?
I meant it as more of a notion of personal responsibility. I think it is the ability to act, as opposed to let events dictate your actions. That is, your example about google. The person wasn't forced (coerced, yeah) to go on, but made a conscious decision to.

[mrs_bun]

This is one of the dumber things you've said on the forum thus far.

Freud fell short - we're products not just of out society, but of everything that led to your birth and everything you encounter in your life, as well as products of our own genetic makeup.

I just mean that things necessarily got here now that we're here. They might have been changed before, and we might change future things now, but once you get to now, it necessarily is.

SHUT UP FREE WILL IS NOT SOPHOMORIC

:huh:

Seems kinda like maybe.

[Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician]

I meant it as more of a notion of personal responsibility. I think it is the ability to act, as opposed to let events dictate your actions. That is, your example about google. The person wasn't forced (coerced, yeah) to go on, but made a conscious decision to.
Right. That's kind of the freedom from coercion (ie, being able to make a decision without being pressured by outside forces).

[Jabby]

Right. That's kind of the freedom from coercion (ie, being able to make a decision without being pressured by outside forces).

Right. We should shake hands now.

[Dr. Faustroll, pataphysician]

Right. We should shake hands now.
I actually think it's a minor semantic point, because I'm not convinced that accountability can be placed on someone if they just acted free from coercion. Any type of 'punishment' someone would get would be nothing but social engineering to try to get criminals to associate crime with displeasure, like a child being spanked. :/

[Jabby]

I actually think it's a minor semantic point, because I'm not convinced that accountability can be placed on someone if they just acted free from coercion. Any type of 'punishment' someone would get would be nothing but social engineering to try to get criminals to associate crime with displeasure, like a child being spanked. :/
I'm thinking of it in a broader sense. Arbitrary social definitions of good people and bad people? I don't know. it's late. Also, I'd love to continue this, but my router shuts down at midnight. (MY FATHER DOES NOT ENJOY MY INTELLECTUAL PURSUITS)

[Zerg]

Also, I'd love to continue this, but my router shuts down at midnight. (MY FATHER DOES NOT ENJOY MY INTELLECTUAL PURSUITS)lol?

[bun_bot]

Either way I consider it a victory.

[Jabby]

lol?
indeed.

[mrs_bun]

Either way I consider it a victory.

Yaus, my robot cheer coach.

[bun_bot]

I didn't consider that just now.

[mrs_bun]

:V

[bun_bot]

That's true.

[mrs_bun]

Wuv. ^_^

[bun_bot]

Ick.

[mrs_bun]

Hay! I made you, you brat. :brat:

[Jabby]

Hay! I made you, you brat. :brat:

I honestly think that you've missed the point of the bot quite grandly.

[mrs_bun]

No I didn't, Jabby. :P That was a pretty good typo there, tho.

[bun_bot]

I try to be flexible. :V

[bun_bot]

Dammit.