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Jenius

03-02-2010, 08:17 PM

Jesus that would be sick in Tooth and Nail.

Doesn't seem that useful to me, basically all the other things you grab do what it does but better/more efficiently/with less risk.

That said, rules question on their new wording. Is cast their new version for "When blah comes into play, if you played it from your hand/didn't play it from your hand, do x" (phage as an example), or is it now merely the replacement for "when blah comes into play, do x" (if you need an example of a citp card you can't answer this question).

Alternatively, is it some effect that takes place while the spell is on the stack (kind of like how storm triggers as you play a spell).

Tony3

03-02-2010, 08:39 PM

I'm pretty sure it's still like before- if you cheat it into play, it doesn't count, so you wouldn't draw four cards.

And if not for annihilator, the card would just straightout suck. that ability might be able to save it from being too awful and it could be good.

notallama

03-02-2010, 08:42 PM

it still seems awful. why not sundering titan or darksteel colossus instead?

ProphetKing

03-02-2010, 09:52 PM

Avedomni

03-02-2010, 10:12 PM

ProphetKing

03-02-2010, 10:45 PM

I know.

I have a Timmy hard-on for "drawing cards" though.

twin1

03-02-2010, 10:52 PM

Seems like more of a casual card, which is fine because its going right in my EDH deck.

Kant

03-02-2010, 10:59 PM

So wait, it's not an artifact

I look forward to terroring it.

Jenius

03-02-2010, 11:12 PM

"Cast" is the new word for "play" when it refers to spells. This ability triggers when you cast the spell, which means it goes on the stack above the creature and resolves first. You will have your four cards before the creature ever enters the battlefield. As Tony said, this means you don't get the cards if you don't cast it (eg, if you get it with Tooth and Nail).

I can't really think of anything other than storm and replicate (or other spell related triggers) that did this, so it seems weird to put it on creatures now.

Are they trying to remove citp effects from the game to prevent abuse like astral slide, or is this just a rare case of them trying to make the creature not suck by giving you 4 cards even when it's inevitably countered?

Avedomni

03-02-2010, 11:17 PM

I can't really think of anything other than storm and replicate (or other spell related triggers) that did this, so it seems weird to put it on creatures now.
Demigod of Revenge and Phantasmagorian are other examples. It's not common, but it's not entirely new either.
Are they trying to remove citp effects from the game to prevent abuse like astral slide, or is this just a rare case of them trying to make the creature not suck by giving you 4 cards even when it's inevitably countered?
Probably the latter; I'm pretty sure CiP effects are here to stay.

Tony3

03-02-2010, 11:19 PM

So wait, it's not an artifact

I look forward to terroring it.

It's not?

I think wizards has gotten retarded, using gimmicky color things now. Like split colored was borderline, but okay. But now they are doing like colored artifacts and it just seems kinda stupid.

Avedomni

03-02-2010, 11:21 PM

It's not?This was expected (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=197881).

Tony3

03-02-2010, 11:22 PM

Are Eldrazi spells colorless-nonartifacts? What.

Avedomni

03-02-2010, 11:25 PM

Are Eldrazi spells colorless-nonartifacts?They seem to be, yes.

twin1

03-02-2010, 11:38 PM

They seem to be, yes.

Yep. I think they are supposed to be reprinting ghostfire in this set with other colorless things. Considering its supposed to be drafted alone I'm interested to see how this set turns out.

Naga

03-03-2010, 12:03 AM

I was happy with Worldwake, because for once, it seemed like a set of cards without a gimmick. Now this. Notice the collector number on this card. 6/248, for a colorless card.

twin1

03-03-2010, 12:08 AM

I was happy with Worldwake, because for once, it seemed like a set of cards without a gimmick. Now this. Notice the collector number on this card. 6/248, for a colorless card.

Worldwake and Zendikar have allies and traps as their gimmicks. Also that number just means its the sixth card out of a set of 248 cards so I'm not really sure what the criticism is with that.

Naga

03-03-2010, 12:13 AM

Worldwake and Zendikar have allies and traps as their gimmicks. Also that number just means its the sixth card out of a set of 248 cards so I'm not really sure what the criticism is with that.

If a colorless card is the 6th card in the set, based on the numbering system they have used as long as they have numbered, that means that there are only 6 non colorless cards in the set.

I see the allies and traps just as mechanics, instead of "ALL CREATURES!!!" or "SO MUCH MULTICOLOR!!", but yeah, I guess you are right.

twin1

03-03-2010, 12:16 AM

If a colorless card is the 6th card in the set, based on the numbering system they have used as long as they have numbered, that means that there are only 6 non colorless cards in the set.

I see the allies and traps just as mechanics, instead of "ALL CREATURES!!!" or "SO MUCH MULTICOLOR!!", but yeah, I guess you are right.

I think most people expected the set to be mostly colorless once they found out about the eldrazi and eye of ugin. And sets focusing on specific things aren't that new so that isn't too big of a deal for me. As long as they make it fun to draft and print some fun cards for casual/edh I'll be happy with it.

Avedomni

03-03-2010, 12:17 AM

Fonzy

03-03-2010, 08:38 AM

I was thinking Kiki-Jiki + this guy. And him being hardcastable with colorless as a win condition that lets you draw cards late game.

Titan is probably better. This guy might have been fun with the pure blue version though.

He's better than Titan. Kiki+Titan will probably only blow up 4 lands on the first turn, if you're lucky, whereas this guy will continue to blow up things until there's nothing left to blow up. Plus the tokens trigger the mini Timetwister effect for you, which could be significannt.

Avedomni

03-03-2010, 10:44 AM

Plus the tokens trigger the mini Timetwister effect for you, which could be significannt.
The token created by Kiki-Jiki is not cast.

Fonzy

03-03-2010, 11:02 AM

The token created by Kiki-Jiki is not cast.

...so? It still gets sacced at end of turn and goes to the graveyard, triggering the "shuffle your graveyard" effect.

jok3r

03-03-2010, 11:54 AM

Kiki+Pestermite or Kiki+that 4/3 are both just better. I'd rather have an instant win in almost any scenario.

Avedomni

03-03-2010, 01:15 PM

...so? It still gets sacced at end of turn and goes to the graveyard, triggering the "shuffle your graveyard" effect.
Ah. I misunderstood your reference to Timetwister.

Fonzy

03-03-2010, 01:26 PM

Kiki+Pestermite or Kiki+that 4/3 are both just better. I'd rather have an instant win in almost any scenario.

Yeah true.

jok3r

03-04-2010, 01:04 PM

Yeah true.

I mean, I understand that if you're playing in extended and lightning bolt, lightning helix, etc. are there, it's not always the better play. But when the removal of PtE or StP are ever-present in eternal formats, the win seems more important than the Timmy.

Dullahan

03-05-2010, 02:55 AM

This thing scares me :(

Purser The Guy

03-05-2010, 03:24 AM

Fuck WotC IMO.

Zerg

03-07-2010, 01:44 AM

WotC continues the practice of creating new keywords for abilities they will ever only use on 7 cards.

Cool.

Well, being a colorless nonartifact is kinda neat, I just hate the keyword spam.

Fonzy

03-07-2010, 12:34 PM

WotC continues the practice of creating new keywords for abilities they will ever only use on 7 cards.

Cool.

Well, being a colorless nonartifact is kinda neat, I just hate the keyword spam.

Sweep > you.

Shadow

03-07-2010, 01:25 PM

They have to explain what Annihilator does on the card...

Mixed Berry Hotcakes.

03-16-2010, 08:23 PM

Clearly it's a trigger that activates when attacking.

Naga

03-16-2010, 09:35 PM

I don't know how I feel about eldrazi at uncommon.

twin1

03-24-2010, 11:30 PM

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=103210&stc=1&d=1269384672

Looks like oath just got a new friend.

Van

03-24-2010, 11:31 PM

You know I'm getting a little tired of WotC stealing my YMtC ideas from 2005

twin1

03-25-2010, 12:13 AM

Would have to be played with Dragon's Breath, but that's pretty lol.

Unless people are playing innocent blood or the edicts it may not even need that. It dodges most spot removal except for the above mentioned ones and with oath it can jump out before they even get to wrath territory. Unless rise prints some retarded colorless removal I might just have to build an oath deck with these guys.

Van

03-25-2010, 12:14 AM

I designed Chalice of the Void two years before it came out.

pretty impressive.

though I mean more like the kinda cards you would "design" with your friend because big creatures are awesome and no you can't kill it cause like it's got a reflector shield and like radioactive uber armor and just looks at things and they explode yeah it's totally badass.

twin1

03-25-2010, 12:19 AM

Missed the 'protection from colored spells' part; that's actually pretty nuts. Honestly, the Time Walk alone is pretty amazing and I could easily see an Oath combo deck working.

Yea that and annihilator put this guy over the top. This also might be one of many eldrazi that make the cut considering we've still got some more guys coming and they might be just as nuts as this guy if not more.

twin1

03-25-2010, 12:31 AM

Wait, cast = play now, right? So you don't get the Time Walk from it if it's Oath'd. Eh...

But you do get a 15/15 flying pro most removal who nukes opponents lands. Its a bit like deus of calamity and Progenitus all wrapped in one dude.

twin1

03-25-2010, 12:36 AM

Yeah, but, you don't get to use his cool ability. :(

Its kind of understandable why wotc did it that way. If you got that ability while using oath to cheat it out, it would probably end up there with flash hulk in terms of raw power. But you can always play him in EDH decks/other casual formats where you'll have a chance to drop him from your hand.

Fonzy

03-25-2010, 09:02 AM

The more new cards I see, the more I begin to loathe MTG now.

Naga

03-25-2010, 04:58 PM

This is going to be the slowest limited format ever. All the creatures either cost 15, or have defender.

Since the subtheme of the set is DEFENDER.

ProphetKing

03-25-2010, 05:30 PM

I want to play a deck that tries to competitively ramp into 15 mana.

Dullahan

03-25-2010, 06:33 PM

I want to play a deck that tries to competitively ramp into 15 mana.

heartbeat

notallama

03-27-2010, 08:26 PM

But you do get a 15/15 flying pro most removal who nukes opponents lands. Its a bit like deus of calamity and Progenitus all wrapped in one dude.
misread as deuce of calamity.
was disappointed upon rereading.

Zerg

03-29-2010, 04:23 PM

So we have a 12/12, a 15/15... I'm kinda waiting for an 18/18 with Annihilator 11 and "When you cast it from your hand, you may punch target opponent in the face"

Twin2

03-29-2010, 07:46 PM

Last one is an indestructible 10/10 with annihilator 4 for 11 that vindicates something when you cast it.

Fonzy

03-30-2010, 08:33 AM

Last one is an indestructible 10/10 with annihilator 4 for 11 that vindicates something when you cast it.

The only words in this post I understand are the articles.

LegendShark

04-06-2010, 10:34 PM

I think indestructable is pretty self explanatory... but yeah.

Twin2

04-09-2010, 03:41 PM

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=104078&stc=1&d=1270832199

IT'S COMING RIGHT AT US!

Van

04-09-2010, 03:56 PM

GI-GAN-TOOOOOR

I keep thinking it's broken with some cheat into play effect but for the life of me don't know how or already know a way to do it better.

Twin2

04-09-2010, 04:14 PM

Yea seems like a hilarious casual/limited card. But if you really want to find a way to break something there's always this

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=104059&stc=1&d=1270799424

I'm not sure how this works with sideboards or anything, but god damn will this be funny to see how it's used.

Van

04-09-2010, 04:59 PM

Really?

REALLY?

I'm so glad I stopped playing this game holy shit

Twin2

04-09-2010, 05:04 PM

Really?

REALLY?

I'm so glad I stopped playing this game holy shit

Then you'll probably get a kick out of the doomsday demon

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=103637&d=1270060994

Shadow

04-09-2010, 05:12 PM

it's time to duel, bitches.

Twin2

04-13-2010, 12:32 AM

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=104240&stc=1&d=1271131412

Van

04-13-2010, 12:36 AM

They're just...

so boring.

twin1

04-13-2010, 12:49 AM

They're just...

so boring.

Compared to what standard/limited are atm, it might actually be a fun break. Who knows, standard might actually have more than one deck dominating all others, but I'm not getting my hopes up too high for that.

Fonzy

04-13-2010, 08:27 AM

RAWR I'M WIZARDS I MAKE LOTS OF BIG CREATURES THAT ARE EXPENSIVE AND DO STUFF RAWR MAGIC IS SO MUCH MORE FUN NOW

Naga

04-13-2010, 03:16 PM

http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=104240&stc=1&d=1271131412

Does anyone else find the art on this really creepy?

Tony3

04-19-2010, 01:18 AM

I wish it was back in the days of invasion where things were not gimmicky and I enjoyed playing still. Those were some good days.

Kant

04-19-2010, 02:41 PM

You son of a bitch shady I was about to post that

Kant

06-30-2010, 04:40 PM

Does this make Jace shinji?

Fonzy

06-30-2010, 08:07 PM

twin1

06-30-2010, 09:20 PM

After some careful consideration, I have decided that this card sucks.

Definitely in standard, but I'd say its a pretty high pick in limited. I've gotten two hands of emrakul out of my board with it and Twin2 has used it to play the bad eldrazi hindering light to snag him games.

Naga

07-01-2010, 04:10 AM

After some careful consideration, I have decided that this card sucks.

I got pulled into an,in a draft, extremely long game where he had this in play, and it was at a standstill. I don't remember the specifics, but he ALMOST pulled off the last ability. He got to 19 mana with his spawn tokens, and had to wait a turn for his land to untap to win. I ended up killing it then, and I was pretty proud of it.

But then he dropped Gideon and won.

Jenius

07-01-2010, 09:14 AM

I got pulled into an,in a draft, extremely long game where he had this in play, and it was at a standstill. I don't remember the specifics, but he ALMOST pulled off the last ability. He got to 19 mana with his spawn tokens, and had to wait a turn for his land to untap to win. I ended up killing it then, and I was pretty proud of it.

But then he dropped Gideon and won.

I'm surprised the 7/10 annihilator 1 with free chump blocking backup wasn't really enough to wreck you by itself, unless you had some token generation yourself.